All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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I'd rather start Blackadder and then have Akira off the bench in the second half for impact.
The two best hookers are Coles and Samisoni.
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@sparky Ioane has regressed to type in his last couple of tests. Blackadder to start comfortably for me.
@stag said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky Ioane has regressed to type in his last couple of tests. Blackadder to start comfortably for me.
I thought he actually put in a bit of effort in the Bok match #2 and overall for year the ledger is positive. Edit so "regressed to type" is harsh IMO.
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Looks like it could be a cracker.
I'd go with
- Moody
- Taylor
- Ofa T
- Retallick
- S. Whitelock (c)
- A. Ioane
- D. Papail'i
- A. Savea
- B. Weber (if fit)
- B. Barrett
- R. Ioane
- D. Havili
- ALB
- W. Jordan
- J. Barrett
- D. Coles
- Karl T
- Laulala
- Vaa' i
- Blackadder
- TJP
- R. Mo'unga
- Tupaea
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
- Ofa T
I’m not sure he should even be in the 23 let alone starting. Laulala would’ve been rested for the purpose of starting against Ireland
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@kiwimurph I don’t want Akira to see himself as an off the bench player. We might have to drag him a little but I am hoping he starts.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwimurph I don’t want Akira to see himself as an off the bench player. We might have to drag him a little but I am hoping he starts.
What does that mean? He’s still pretty young and inexperienced and learning what it means to be a test player, so at this stage whatever his role might be (bench or starter), I’m sure he will grab it.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwimurph I don’t want Akira to see himself as an off the bench player. We might have to drag him a little but I am hoping he starts.
What does that mean? He’s still pretty young and inexperienced and learning what it means to be a test player, so at this stage whatever his role might be (bench or starter), I’m sure he will grab it.
@act-crusader it means that he needs to be starting and pushed. Blackadder has a good motor but I don’t see him as being dominant like AI. We have a couple of years to get potentially one dominant back 3 forward in our group. Somehow we have to build some starch on our forwards and not rely on work rate alone.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
- Ofa T
I’m not sure he should even be in the 23 let alone starting. Laulala would’ve been rested for the purpose of starting against Ireland
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
- Ofa T
I’m not sure he should even be in the 23 let alone starting. Laulala would’ve been rested for the purpose of starting against Ireland
Ofa still looks so passive taking the ball into contract. I agree that there is no way he starts, but he might be favoured ahead of Lomax on experience.
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@act-crusader it means that he needs to be starting and pushed. Blackadder has a good motor but I don’t see him as being dominant like AI. We have a couple of years to get potentially one dominant back 3 forward in our group. Somehow we have to build some starch on our forwards and not rely on work rate alone.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader it means that he needs to be starting and pushed. Blackadder has a good motor but I don’t see him as being dominant like AI. We have a couple of years to get potentially one dominant back 3 forward in our group. Somehow we have to build some starch on our forwards and not rely on work rate alone.
I don’t think it’s an all or nothing proposition there.
Ioane has been starting and I reckon he’s gone okay. But he can be pushed in other ways just as past players who eventually became either permanent starters or world class.
The way I see Ioane and Blackadder is they are both 26 years old and there is massive up side with both players. It’s not unusual for the ABs to have two quite different players competing for the one position.
Ioane has been on the radar for a few years now and whilst I don’t buy into whatever has made him a divisive player, he is starting to hit his straps but still has work ons (which isn’t unusual).
Blackadder has been a bit of a surprise for me with how he’s looked in his first test season, but clearly has some things to improve on. But the foundation is there.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
- Ofa T
I’m not sure he should even be in the 23 let alone starting. Laulala would’ve been rested for the purpose of starting against Ireland
@act-crusader I thought Ofa T was outstanding once he came on yesterday. Shifted the game massively. I know he's coming back from injury but he's World class and a cut above Laulala. Better at set piece, better defence, better with the ball.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
- Ofa T
I’m not sure he should even be in the 23 let alone starting. Laulala would’ve been rested for the purpose of starting against Ireland
Ofa still looks so passive taking the ball into contract. I agree that there is no way he starts, but he might be favoured ahead of Lomax on experience.
@bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
- Ofa T
I’m not sure he should even be in the 23 let alone starting. Laulala would’ve been rested for the purpose of starting against Ireland
Ofa still looks so passive taking the ball into contract. I agree that there is no way he starts, but he might be favoured ahead of Lomax on experience.
TBF Nepo is the master of the Owen Franks one step-step forward and flop.
Ofa didn't screw up this time, was energetic, and used his bulk sensibly so I give him a pass. -
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader it means that he needs to be starting and pushed. Blackadder has a good motor but I don’t see him as being dominant like AI. We have a couple of years to get potentially one dominant back 3 forward in our group. Somehow we have to build some starch on our forwards and not rely on work rate alone.
I don’t think it’s an all or nothing proposition there.
Ioane has been starting and I reckon he’s gone okay. But he can be pushed in other ways just as past players who eventually became either permanent starters or world class.
The way I see Ioane and Blackadder is they are both 26 years old and there is massive up side with both players. It’s not unusual for the ABs to have two quite different players competing for the one position.
Ioane has been on the radar for a few years now and whilst I don’t buy into whatever has made him a divisive player, he is starting to hit his straps but still has work ons (which isn’t unusual).
Blackadder has been a bit of a surprise for me with how he’s looked in his first test season, but clearly has some things to improve on. But the foundation is there.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader it means that he needs to be starting and pushed. Blackadder has a good motor but I don’t see him as being dominant like AI. We have a couple of years to get potentially one dominant back 3 forward in our group. Somehow we have to build some starch on our forwards and not rely on work rate alone.
I don’t think it’s an all or nothing proposition there.
Ioane has been starting and I reckon he’s gone okay. But he can be pushed in other ways just as past players who eventually became either permanent starters or world class.
The way I see Ioane and Blackadder is they are both 26 years old and there is massive up side with both players. It’s not unusual for the ABs to have two quite different players competing for the one position.
Ioane has been on the radar for a few years now and whilst I don’t buy into whatever has made him a divisive player, he is starting to hit his straps but still has work ons (which isn’t unusual).
Blackadder has been a bit of a surprise for me with how he’s looked in his first test season, but clearly has some things to improve on. But the foundation is there.
I like this. I'd add they are such different players perhaps they would best complement rather than compete with each other.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The All Black's side I think Foster will select for this weekend:
Joe Moody, Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ethan Blackadder, Dalton Papalii, Ardie Savea, TJ Perenara, Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, Will Jordan, Jordie Barrett.
Samisoni Taukei’aho, Karl Tu’inukuafe, Tyrel Lomax, Tupou Vaa’i, Akira Ioane, Brad Weber, Richie Mo’unga, David Havili.
I think that will be close. Not sure if Havili will be on the bench or starting though.
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The All Black's side I think Foster will select for this weekend:
Joe Moody, Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ethan Blackadder, Dalton Papalii, Ardie Savea, TJ Perenara, Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, Will Jordan, Jordie Barrett.
Samisoni Taukei’aho, Karl Tu’inukuafe, Tyrel Lomax, Tupou Vaa’i, Akira Ioane, Brad Weber, Richie Mo’unga, David Havili.
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I should add that I'm a big fan of Taylor (being a Crusaders supporter myself..) but Coles and Taukei'aho are clearly the form hookers right now. Codie is great in open play, but he simply doesn't bring enough physicality to the pack against NH teams, which Coles & Taukei'aho should both contribute in spades. They're also quite a bit more powerful scrummagers than Taylor.
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The All Black's side I think Foster will select for this weekend:
Joe Moody, Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ethan Blackadder, Dalton Papalii, Ardie Savea, TJ Perenara, Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, Will Jordan, Jordie Barrett.
Samisoni Taukei’aho, Karl Tu’inukuafe, Tyrel Lomax, Tupou Vaa’i, Akira Ioane, Brad Weber, Richie Mo’unga, David Havili.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The All Black's side I think Foster will select for this weekend:
Joe Moody, Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Ethan Blackadder, Dalton Papalii, Ardie Savea, TJ Perenara, Beauden Barrett, Sevu Reece, Anton Lienert-Brown, Rieko Ioane, Will Jordan, Jordie Barrett.
Samisoni Taukei’aho, Karl Tu’inukuafe, Tyrel Lomax, Tupou Vaa’i, Akira Ioane, Brad Weber, Richie Mo’unga, David Havili.
I think he'll stick with Havili at 12 and there'll be minimal changes from Boks II. Seems to me Foster is trying to get a settled top 23 and is averse to making big changes. Akira is a strange one in that he has drifted a bit in his last couple of outings but he's still the best option at 6 for me, though I' be happy for EB to start.
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I think that Akira Ioane must start against Ireland as the Irish love to make relentless drives with their forwards. He is able to set them on the backfoot with his offensive tackles. Blackadder has a huge workrate but is not as efficient as Akira Ioane in this respect.
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@sparky said in AB Vs Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Looks like it could be a cracker.
I'd go with
- Moody
- Taylor
- Ofa T
- Retallick
- S. Whitelock (c)
- A. Ioane
- D. Papail'i
- A. Savea
- B. Weber (if fit)
- B. Barrett
- R. Ioane
- D. Havili
- ALB
- W. Jordan
- J. Barrett
- D. Coles
- Karl T
- Laulala
- Vaa' i
- Blackadder
- TJP
- R. Mo'unga
- Tupaea
This is harsh for Taukei'aho. I wouldn't push him out of the 23. Coles or Taylor for me, not Coles + Taylor.
@cgrant said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Taukei'aho
Assuming Reece injured and Weber fit, the only change I see to the 23 is Taukei'aho in for Coles on bench. Ofa added quite a lot when he arrived, but still looked to me a bit rusty, so bench again.
For me Akira's physical presence merits the start, and he was also good in the tight in SA2. Blackadder on bench gives a wide range of tactical options in second half, which I also like.
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