Electric Vehicles
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@nta said in Electric Vehicles:
@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
It only feels a bit cheap in the boot, when you open it up and it's just colossal levels of cheap crappy looking plastic.
I'm sure your victims will leave the appropriate view.
All jokes aside, our dog will travel in the boot a lot. And I think every time we went around a corner if she put her paw on the plastic, it'll leave a big scratch.
It's not the end of the world though, as it's only the boot. Will report next week on the driving dynamics.
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@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
@nta said in Electric Vehicles:
@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
It only feels a bit cheap in the boot, when you open it up and it's just colossal levels of cheap crappy looking plastic.
I'm sure your victims will leave the appropriate view.
All jokes aside, our dog will travel in the boot a lot. And I think every time we went around a corner if she put her paw on the plastic, it'll leave a big scratch.
It's not the end of the world though, as it's only the boot. Will report next week on the driving dynamics.
I hear it is quite impressive in terms of where Kia has been, and where they are now.
It sort of looks like a hatch back, but is way too big when you see the dimensions. Same as the Ioniq5.
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@nta said in Electric Vehicles:
@mariner4life said in Electric Vehicles:
BYD's buses are not great
okay, but not great.
In terms of anything specific? Performance? Reliability? Range? Comfort?
All of the above
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@nta said in Electric Vehicles:
@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
@nta said in Electric Vehicles:
@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
It only feels a bit cheap in the boot, when you open it up and it's just colossal levels of cheap crappy looking plastic.
I'm sure your victims will leave the appropriate view.
All jokes aside, our dog will travel in the boot a lot. And I think every time we went around a corner if she put her paw on the plastic, it'll leave a big scratch.
It's not the end of the world though, as it's only the boot. Will report next week on the driving dynamics.
I hear it is quite impressive in terms of where Kia has been, and where they are now.
It sort of looks like a hatch back, but is way too big when you see the dimensions. Same as the Ioniq5.
Yes, that's exactly it. It's been a few years since I've driven a KIA and I was chatting to the salesman about it. He said their standard stuff is still behind the Germans, but nowhere near as far as it was. It had to come up though in order to offer 7 year warranties.
But the new one is a game changer - time will tell on lasting / degradation, but it feels a proper high quality product inside.
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Is your wife OK with it?
I think I remember you saying that she is (like my wife) a bit of a snob about what brands are Ok and which are not.
We can't get Hyundai or Kia here and it pisses me off as it would be welcome competition.
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@gt12 said in Electric Vehicles:
Is your wife OK with it?
I think I remember you saying that she is (like my wife) a bit of a snob about what brands are Ok and which are not.
We can't get Hyundai or Kia here and it pisses me off as it would be welcome competition.
That'll be interesting to see what she thinks. We have the BMW coming anyway (although I could cancel that in the compulsory cooling off period) so these drives are more for interest sakes.
My suspicion is that she'll be very impressed by the KIA but won't want the brand. And that she'll love the EQC until I point out to her the price of the one we'd want with all the options ticked ....
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I was amazed by the evolution and competition of Kia and Hyundai and I think it is great one isn't quite owned by the other, seems to bring out their competitive juices.
From what I have read, the European reviewers have no badge snobbery regards the Ioniq5 or EV6, best just to get the wife in the car without telling them the badge, perhaps?
Regards a dog in the back and cheap plastics, we got one of those square rimmed fabric dog beds and she just sleeps in that and it doesn't move around. -
@nostrildamus Do you work for KIA?
it's all good, yes badge snobbery is dead in the general populations - especially by reviewers. No need to try and fool the wife, it is what it is!
To be clear, the plastic doesn't bother me that much, it's just the only place I think it looks cheap & I suspect it could look a complete mess after a 3-4 year ownership.
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Two more electric cars driven.
Mercedes EQC - it's a lovely place to be, beautifully made car with some really nice tech. But I think they are aiming it at people a little older than me. Very soft & perhaps just a little bit boring ....
Kia EV6 - Really disappointed. The fit and finish on the car really is superb. The infotainment looks a lot cheaper than others, which is to be expected given the price. But it's still a lot to pay for a Kia. But the drive. Oh man. Completely gutlesss. Doing 60mph on the A3, I floored it to get it up to 75ish and basically nothing happened. It's really really slow. You can't overtake anything in it. Absolutely no idea how they've managed to do that.
Can now sleep well knowing we've ordered the right car.
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Tesla Model 3.
It’s the next generation of driving. The tech in it is so far ahead of the rest. It’s quite the car, long way ahead of the last one I drove. But, the list of things I don’t like is quite long.
You need a head up display. Absurd to look left to see speed. The fit / finish of the car is poor. There is a lot of tech for tech sake - buttons to open doors etc. Having to go through an iPad to do anything gets annoying really quick. But worst of all, both my wife and I felt really ill. I imagine the kids in the back will be worse.
So in summary, in a lot of ways it’s the best car in the world. But in others it’s the complete opposite.
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@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3.
It’s the next generation of driving. The tech in it is so far ahead of the rest. It’s quite the car, long way ahead of the last one I drove. But, the list of things I don’t like is quite long.
You need a head up display. Absurd to look left to see speed. The fit / finish of the car is poor. There is a lot of tech for tech sake - buttons to open doors etc. Having to go through an iPad to do anything gets annoying really quick. But worst of all, both my wife and I felt really ill. I imagine the kids in the back will be worse.
So in summary, in a lot of ways it’s the best car in the world. But in others it’s the complete opposite.
I love these posts btw. Having to use that iPad must be fucking frustrating - fuck navigating that to turn the fan up or down, or the temp up or down.
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@gt12 said in Electric Vehicles:
@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3.
It’s the next generation of driving. The tech in it is so far ahead of the rest. It’s quite the car, long way ahead of the last one I drove. But, the list of things I don’t like is quite long.
You need a head up display. Absurd to look left to see speed. The fit / finish of the car is poor. There is a lot of tech for tech sake - buttons to open doors etc. Having to go through an iPad to do anything gets annoying really quick. But worst of all, both my wife and I felt really ill. I imagine the kids in the back will be worse.
So in summary, in a lot of ways it’s the best car in the world. But in others it’s the complete opposite.
I love these posts btw. Having to use that iPad must be fucking frustrating - fuck navigating that to turn the fan up or down, or the temp up or down.
The first time I sat in a Model S I thought to myself "this is what you get when nerds design cars. I couldn't believe the interior, fit and finish quality for the price". One trillion dollar company. Rivian went public and is now worth more than Ford. And people wonder if there's a bubble.
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@gt12 said in Electric Vehicles:
@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3.
It’s the next generation of driving. The tech in it is so far ahead of the rest. It’s quite the car, long way ahead of the last one I drove. But, the list of things I don’t like is quite long.
You need a head up display. Absurd to look left to see speed. The fit / finish of the car is poor. There is a lot of tech for tech sake - buttons to open doors etc. Having to go through an iPad to do anything gets annoying really quick. But worst of all, both my wife and I felt really ill. I imagine the kids in the back will be worse.
So in summary, in a lot of ways it’s the best car in the world. But in others it’s the complete opposite.
I love these posts btw. Having to use that iPad must be fucking frustrating - fuck navigating that to turn the fan up or down, or the temp up or down.
My neighbour has just got one & is three days in. He completely agrees with me on all the negatives and says right now, he wish he hadn't got one. I suspect though that once he's familiar with the screen and running it, he'll love it. Although I think he'll never get used to the speedo not being right in front - he pointed out something I hadn't noticed. He needs glasses for reading (getting older ...) and said that glancing down to see the speed has always been fine, but glancing right means he's out of focus. So it takes him time.
He's got 3 kids so I asked him if he'd considered the Model X. He hadn't as his mate has one and stuff keeps falling off it ...
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@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
@gt12 said in Electric Vehicles:
@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3.
It’s the next generation of driving. The tech in it is so far ahead of the rest. It’s quite the car, long way ahead of the last one I drove. But, the list of things I don’t like is quite long.
You need a head up display. Absurd to look left to see speed. The fit / finish of the car is poor. There is a lot of tech for tech sake - buttons to open doors etc. Having to go through an iPad to do anything gets annoying really quick. But worst of all, both my wife and I felt really ill. I imagine the kids in the back will be worse.
So in summary, in a lot of ways it’s the best car in the world. But in others it’s the complete opposite.
I love these posts btw. Having to use that iPad must be fucking frustrating - fuck navigating that to turn the fan up or down, or the temp up or down.
The first time I sat in a Model S I thought to myself "this is what you get when nerds design cars. I couldn't believe the interior, fit and finish quality for the price". One trillion dollar company. Rivian went public and is now worth more than Ford. And people wonder if there's a bubble.
Indeed. The big one I've not driven is the E-Mach. Might organise that now.
I don't know much about Rivian honestly, but if Tesla taught me anything today, it's that they really are a tech company which makes cars. As the tech is phenomenal, but the car is just average. At a premium price,
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@jc said in Electric Vehicles:
@gt12 And as a right handed person in a right hand drive car, having to use that ipad with my left while driving sounds … complicated.
To be fair it's quite intuitive. I just don't see why you should need to go into an iPad, settings screen etc etc to do the basics like turn on a fan. It really steamed up and it took my wife around about 10-15 seconds to figure it out. Now obviously you'd learn it once then it would always be quick, but what's wrong with the odd button?
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@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
Although I think he'll never get used to the speedo not being right in front
At the other end of the scale - the wife had a Toyota Yaris a few years ago and it had a centre instrument cluster.
Driving it at night, switching from the X-Trail, meant I often had moments of panic where I thought a fuse had blown.
TBH I barely look at the speedo in the X-Trail these days. It has been over 8 years and I know roughly what speed I'm travelling around suburbia, and cruise control takes care of the rest.
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@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
@nostrildamus Do you work for KIA?
it's all good, yes badge snobbery is dead in the general populations - especially by reviewers. No need to try and fool the wife, it is what it is!
To be clear, the plastic doesn't bother me that much, it's just the only place I think it looks cheap & I suspect it could look a complete mess after a 3-4 year ownership.
Nope never worked for car companies but have worked with car designers (one worked with Hyundai, one with Beemers, one with Ford but he wasn't exactly a designer).
I had to rent cheap Kias and Hyundai some years ago and thought they were trash.
I changed my mind after speaking to a Toyota guy who warned me Hyundai was a serious threat to Toyota. I'm not rich so I tend to own Japanese cars myself (usually cheaper to maintain and reliable on this side of the world IMO).
The only electric car I'd be averse to buying is actually a Tesla, technical pioneer, but seems to have a computer answer for everything, I'd like something a little less Knight Rider. -
@bayimports said in Electric Vehicles:
@nta said in Electric Vehicles:
Polestar 2 landing here in Australia for under $60k apparently.
High-tech Polestar 2 EV takes on Tesla with Australian price below $60,000
The Polestar 2 will be priced from under $60,000, pitting the sophisticated, sustainable EV head to head with the Tesla Model 3.
if it hits the market here under 60k, Im going to suggest they might have a lot of success and may force the existing EV brands into re thinking their entry price
Trouble is you really pay for the extra packages. But I'd still test drive it.
Edit: The recent Volvo designs appeal to me for the price (yeah I know they/Polestar are owned by the Chinese but I think they are designed out of Sweden). The Ioniq 5 and EV6 are too big for the wife and I haven't tested either.
I wish BMW had focussed more on EVs, their little cars had some neat features and happy owners.
But I'll wait for the Subaru as well, if it has Toyota reliability and economy (efficiency) but Subaru styling I'll be interested. Plus it has decent wheel clearance for the crap roads and objects I have to drive through. -
@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
@gt12 said in Electric Vehicles:
@majorrage said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3.
It’s the next generation of driving. The tech in it is so far ahead of the rest. It’s quite the car, long way ahead of the last one I drove. But, the list of things I don’t like is quite long.
You need a head up display. Absurd to look left to see speed. The fit / finish of the car is poor. There is a lot of tech for tech sake - buttons to open doors etc. Having to go through an iPad to do anything gets annoying really quick. But worst of all, both my wife and I felt really ill. I imagine the kids in the back will be worse.
So in summary, in a lot of ways it’s the best car in the world. But in others it’s the complete opposite.
I love these posts btw. Having to use that iPad must be fucking frustrating - fuck navigating that to turn the fan up or down, or the temp up or down.
My neighbour has just got one & is three days in. He completely agrees with me on all the negatives and says right now, he wish he hadn't got one. I suspect though that once he's familiar with the screen and running it, he'll love it. Although I think he'll never get used to the speedo not being right in front - he pointed out something I hadn't noticed. He needs glasses for reading (getting older ...) and said that glancing down to see the speed has always been fine, but glancing right means he's out of focus. So it takes him time.
He's got 3 kids so I asked him if he'd considered the Model X. He hadn't as his mate has one and stuff keeps falling off it ...
If he can afford a tesla he can afford glasses that are normal on top and have reading lense strength built in the bottom.
