All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
On that we agree. Foster has done some good stuff this year but this game and the game against the Boks show that we need more change in the coaching set up as the big boys have worked out how to rattle us and throw us off our game.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
On that we agree. Foster has done some good stuff this year but this game and the game against the Boks show that we need more change in the coaching set up as the big boys have worked out how to rattle us and throw us off our game.
We are predictable.
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@gt12 offocial has been pedantic ,but you cant deny the All Blacks have been totally outplayed..
In fact the score is flattering
My underlying thoughts ,players like Aki ,Gibson Park and lowes who would not been in the All Black frame here in NZ have gone on to be world class players ,gotta say some there must be some great individual coaching going on in Ireland
Irelands victory in my opinion was more impressive than the Springboks victory over the All Blacks ..
Won all the big moments ,ball retention and movement was next level
And defensively they stuck so much pressure on the All Blacks .@steven-harris said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 offocial has been pedantic ,but you cant deny the All Blacks have been totally outplayed..
In fact the score is flattering
My underlying thoughts ,players like Aki ,Gibson Park and lowes who would not been in the All Black frame here in NZ have gone on to be world class players ,gotta say some there must be some great individual coaching going on in Ireland
Irelands victory in my opinion was more impressive than the Springboks victory over the All Blacks ..
Won all the big moments ,ball retention and movement was next level
And defensively they stuck so much pressure on the All Blacks .Given the Boks only won on the back of a final minute penalty, this Irish victory was head and shoulders above it.
They lifted and got us back for the ABs dominating them in the RWC QF. A good rivalry
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Firstly, well done Ireland. Deserved winners.
The problems for the ABs start up front. The starting front row were all poor and we lacked dominant ball runners in the loose forwards. Not starting Ioane, or bringing him on early in the 2nd half was a huge mistake. Play Coles and ST. Neither lock played well.
TJP is like a handbrake for the attack. Smith has to start against France. Havili doesn't look like a test 2nd 5.
This test has shown who shouldn't be in the team next week.
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@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
My concern is that Robertson won't make that much difference and we've effectively shared the headless-chicken stuff from the field to the coaches office.
Something has gone badly wrong in the last 4 years. The only good thing to come from this game is it might make people sit up and ask some hard questions - players, coaches and NZRFU management
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Firstly, well done Ireland. Deserved winners.
The problems for the ABs start up front. The starting front row were all poor and we lacked dominant ball runners in the loose forwards. Not starting Ioane, or bringing him on early in the 2nd half was a huge mistake. Play Coles and ST. Neither lock played well.
TJP is like a handbrake for the attack. Smith has to start against France. Havili doesn't look like a test 2nd 5.
This test has shown who shouldn't be in the team next week.
@bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Firstly, well done Ireland. Deserved winners.
The problems for the ABs start up front. The starting front row were all poor and we lacked dominant ball runners in the loose forwards. Not starting Ioane, or bringing him on early in the 2nd half was a huge mistake. Play Coles and ST. Neither lock played well.
TJP is like a handbrake for the attack. Smith has to start against France. Havili doesn't look like a test 2nd 5.
This test has shown who shouldn't be in the team next week.
I thought Moody tried hard across the field, Paps was solid in tackling.
I agree I think Coles is clearly ahead of Taylor (I don't know what has happened to his form). -
Firstly, well done Ireland. Deserved winners.
The problems for the ABs start up front. The starting front row were all poor and we lacked dominant ball runners in the loose forwards. Not starting Ioane, or bringing him on early in the 2nd half was a huge mistake. Play Coles and ST. Neither lock played well.
TJP is like a handbrake for the attack. Smith has to start against France. Havili doesn't look like a test 2nd 5.
This test has shown who shouldn't be in the team next week.
@bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Not starting Ioane, or bringing him on early in the 2nd half was a huge mistake.
Just like Cane in the 2019 semi. And we've been getting it wrong ever since.
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This for me, is one of our darkest days.
We were absolutely pummeled. Ireland should have won by 50.
We showed zero grit, zero game plan and tried to show boat our way through it.
And the best part? Seeing fucking Lowe, Gibson Park jumping out of their fucking skins.
I am so fucking angry right now.
@majorrage said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
This for me, is one of our darkest days.
We were absolutely pummeled. Ireland should have won by 50.
We showed zero grit, zero game plan and tried to show boat our way through it.
And the best part? Seeing fucking Lowe, Gibson Park jumping out of their fucking skins.
I am so fucking angry right now.
Every fucking word.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Firstly, well done Ireland. Deserved winners.
The problems for the ABs start up front. The starting front row were all poor and we lacked dominant ball runners in the loose forwards. Not starting Ioane, or bringing him on early in the 2nd half was a huge mistake. Play Coles and ST. Neither lock played well.
TJP is like a handbrake for the attack. Smith has to start against France. Havili doesn't look like a test 2nd 5.
This test has shown who shouldn't be in the team next week.
I thought Moody tried hard across the field, Paps was solid in tackling.
I agree I think Coles is clearly ahead of Taylor (I don't know what has happened to his form).@nostrildamus Blackadder should have been subbed.
I can't believe that Christie wasn't brought on to provide something different.
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Whitelock shouldn’t have opted for 3 when we were rolling.
Selections for this game were just absolute head scratchers.
TJ is an impact player not and 80min half back. Weber>TJ
Reiko is a wing. His passing and decision making simply have not progressed. He still makes poor reads at important stages and his accuracy is horrible. I don’t know if he has the ability to learn “care factor”.
I’ve had a problem with Havili from the start. It’s not the kicking, as poor as it was. He does not bend the line in the crash. He hits the line and makes no ground. We lose momentum and too often the ensuing ruck after he is tackled becomes a contest. He’s a very skilful player. I just don’t think he’s good enough to be an AB 2nd 5.
The pack. Poor all around. Our muscled and our worked. Whitelock and Retallick haven’t had less effective games in recent memory. Glimpses of Ardie but not enough to inspire the rest of the pack. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a tight five link as well as the Irish did. They played smart balling playing rugby. Something we used to be famous for.
We all knew. Apologists aside. We all knew Foster wasn’t shit. His game plan was fucked. It’s looked shaky all year. Cricket scores papered over the cracks. But from that SA game you knew something wasn't quite right. The Italian game confirmed it for me. The complete lack of cohesion, regardless of the combinations trotted out, was scary.
Lastly as much of a servant he has been to NZ, the canes and Wellington rugby. I don’t think I would care if TJ never played a game for the ABs again. He’s reached that stage that NZ halfbacks usually do where they think far too much at the base of the ruck. Fuck about and ultimately make a poor read or stifle our forward momentum.
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I really think we need to invest in the young props like de groot etc. We have 2 years until 2023 and today was a head hone after the quarter finals display. That could have been a total pasting.
It was a mistake to take 3. If we had taken the lead with a try the pressure would have been on Ireland.
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Some tackle stats:
Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %
Best:
Papalii: 23 - 1 - 96
Blackadder: 19 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95
Sam Whitelock: 17 - 0 - 100(Akira: 0 - 0 )
Best backs:
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100
Mo'unga: 11 - 0 - 100Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 11 - 3 - 79 -
@nostrildamus Blackadder should have been subbed.
I can't believe that Christie wasn't brought on to provide something different.
@bovidae unbelievable the ginger wasn't released... Especially considering how poor TJP was... Passing accuracy was woeful
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Holy shit Super Rugby team bias everywhere. I'm going to bed, Havili, Mo'unga and Reece were shit.
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Well done Ireland, just too good. Same AB problems of last few years back in.
- Being outmuscled
- Pressure causing errors
- No real game plan vs this type of plan/team.
Watching it we just don’t have that ‘swagger’ anymore and I just wonder if we had a period of such good quality players in past and now we just dont. Who do we call upon to provide the ‘big plays’ when needed??? When pressure came on we just look like little boys that’s when mistakes and panic seem to set in. Only savea and Barrett’s look like pure game breakers out there. Not sure where we turn next but plenty to ponder.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
This for me, is one of our darkest days.
We were absolutely pummeled. Ireland should have won by 50.
We showed zero grit, zero game plan and tried to show boat our way through it.
And the best part? Seeing fucking Lowe, Gibson Park jumping out of their fucking skins.
I am so fucking angry right now.
Every fucking word.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-live-updates-all-blacks-v-ireland-at-aviva-stadium-in-dublin-teams-kick-off-time-live-streaming-and-how-to-watch/Y6C56EALL4ALEDHZERP4AGWUTU/
on front nzh page it say valiant Irish. Valiant is wrong word, more like ferocious. -
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-live-updates-all-blacks-v-ireland-at-aviva-stadium-in-dublin-teams-kick-off-time-live-streaming-and-how-to-watch/Y6C56EALL4ALEDHZERP4AGWUTU/
on front nzh page it say valiant Irish. Valiant is wrong word, more like ferocious.Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 11 - 3 - 79
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This for me, is one of our darkest days.
We were absolutely pummeled. Ireland should have won by 50.
We showed zero grit, zero game plan and tried to show boat our way through it.
And the best part? Seeing fucking Lowe, Gibson Park jumping out of their fucking skins.
I am so fucking angry right now.
@majorrage the All Pinks are back! @Miller-V-Jackson trademark
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We need Robertson ASAP. I feel like a Man U fan waiting for the announcement that they have finally hired a real manager instead of a substitute PE teacher.
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
We need Robertson ASAP. I feel like a Man U fan waiting for the announcement that they have finally hired a real manager instead of a substitute PE teacher.
But what happens if Robertson is brought in and nothing much changes? Do we change coaches as often as we change mid-field options?
Somewhere, something has gone badly off the rails and I'm not convinced it's all Foster's fault and swapping him an easy answer.
