All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
-
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Gee, midfield is a worry though!
I think they need to go Tupaea/Ioane, but expect they'll go Havili/Ioane.Give Tupaea a start. Pretty much nothing left to lose at this stage at 12/13. Reiko hasn't developed much and Havili has gone backwards.
I'm not throwing Havili under the bus quite yet. He showed a lot early on, and looked the absolute goods. The problem is that when you wind up with a light 8/9/10/12 like Ardie, AS, RM, DH it can get exposed by more physical teams.
His form has really deteriorated though, which is a real pity. ALB is a monster loss for us, and we run the risk of going to RWC23 without a settled midfield. Again.
Not giving up on DH, just think it's time to give QT a start. There's a chance he might provide a solution.
Yep. ALB's injury has expose the bareness of the cupboard. We didn't have a settled 12/13 in 2019, but it did have some experience.
-
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan Right. We don’t need innovation to beat a rush defense. Just forward control and front foot ball.
and smart attacking the interface of the rush and the ruck. It's where Lions 1 we were on diagonal runs all night - good fast ball tires people consistently; if you want to rush, go for it -but after you've done it 80 times, how good are your legs?
I wonder if the AB passive D is also built on a 'last 20' mindset, where we want to really cut loose and win the game there.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan Right. We don’t need innovation to beat a rush defense. Just forward control and front foot ball.
and smart attacking the interface of the rush and the ruck. It's where Lions 1 we were on diagonal runs all night - good fast ball tires people consistently; if you want to rush, go for it -but after you've done it 80 times, how good are your legs?
Agree although I need to rewatch that game. Must be getting old.
I wonder if the AB passive D is also built on a 'last 20' mindset, where we want to really cut loose and win the game there.
I hope we are not that cocky with such a strategy. I think our defense against Ireland was pretty good. I just don’t understand accepting the concept of playing defense. We are going to wear out our forwards with such a strategy. Surely at least a 50 percent possession stat should be a goal.
-
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan Right. We don’t need innovation to beat a rush defense. Just forward control and front foot ball.
and smart attacking the interface of the rush and the ruck. It's where Lions 1 we were on diagonal runs all night - good fast ball tires people consistently; if you want to rush, go for it -but after you've done it 80 times, how good are your legs?
Agree although I need to rewatch that game. Must be getting old.
I wonder if the AB passive D is also built on a 'last 20' mindset, where we want to really cut loose and win the game there.
I hope we are not that cocky with such a strategy. I think our defense against Ireland was pretty good. I just don’t understand accepting the concept of playing defense. We are going to wear out our forwards with such a strategy. Surely at least a 50 percent possession stat should be a goal.
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan Right. We don’t need innovation to beat a rush defense. Just forward control and front foot ball.
and smart attacking the interface of the rush and the ruck. It's where Lions 1 we were on diagonal runs all night - good fast ball tires people consistently; if you want to rush, go for it -but after you've done it 80 times, how good are your legs?
Agree although I need to rewatch that game. Must be getting old.
I wonder if the AB passive D is also built on a 'last 20' mindset, where we want to really cut loose and win the game there.
I hope we are not that cocky with such a strategy. I think our defense against Ireland was pretty good. I just don’t understand accepting the concept of playing defense. We are going to wear out our forwards with such a strategy. Surely at least a 50 percent possession stat should be a goal.
What happened to offensive defence to generate attacking turnover ball?
-
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 the online stats have him at 96kg, which when I went to school, is less than 100kg.
https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/jordie-barrett/
https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/squad/player/jordie-barrett/https://www.rugbypass.com/news/warned-jordie-barrett-bullked-off-season/
I’ll ask him which stat is right if I see him walking through town when he’s back from overseas
-
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan Right. We don’t need innovation to beat a rush defense. Just forward control and front foot ball.
and smart attacking the interface of the rush and the ruck. It's where Lions 1 we were on diagonal runs all night - good fast ball tires people consistently; if you want to rush, go for it -but after you've done it 80 times, how good are your legs?
Agree although I need to rewatch that game. Must be getting old.
I wonder if the AB passive D is also built on a 'last 20' mindset, where we want to really cut loose and win the game there.
I hope we are not that cocky with such a strategy. I think our defense against Ireland was pretty good. I just don’t understand accepting the concept of playing defense. We are going to wear out our forwards with such a strategy. Surely at least a 50 percent possession stat should be a goal.
What happened to offensive defence to generate attacking turnover ball?
-
-
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 the online stats have him at 96kg, which when I went to school, is less than 100kg.
https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/jordie-barrett/
https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/squad/player/jordie-barrett/https://www.rugbypass.com/news/warned-jordie-barrett-bullked-off-season/
I’ll ask him which stat is right if I see him walking through town when he’s back from overseas
-
Fosters answer throw the backs under the bus,he is challenging them to get better, because he is pretty happy with his forward pack,What about you getting better Foster and your coaching group.
His latest comment in the media, I didn’t even bother to post it but it’s on stuff,
He has no clue just pass the blame on.
Nothing about tactics or we need to get better as a coaching group, just it’s everyone else’s fault. -
Fosters answer throw the backs under the bus,he is challenging them to get better, because he is pretty happy with his forward pack,What about you getting better Foster and your coaching group.
His latest comment in the media, I didn’t even bother to post it but it’s on stuff,
He has no clue just pass the blame on.
Nothing about tactics or we need to get better as a coaching group, just it’s everyone else’s fault.@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Nothing about tactics or we need to get better as a coaching group, just it’s everyone else’s fault.
Stark contrast with Henry/Hansen/Smith, who openly copped being outcoached -- and swapped roles to try and lift/bring a fresh perspective to various areas.
Remember when our lineout was absolute pants? I do, it was just terrible. The 2000's were deeply frustrating as a supporter at times
-
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Nothing about tactics or we need to get better as a coaching group, just it’s everyone else’s fault.
Stark contrast with Henry/Hansen/Smith, who openly copped being outcoached -- and swapped roles to try and lift/bring a fresh perspective to various areas.
Remember when our lineout was absolute pants? I do, it was just terrible. The 2000's were deeply frustrating as a supporter at times
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Nothing about tactics or we need to get better as a coaching group, just it’s everyone else’s fault.
Stark contrast with Henry/Hansen/Smith, who openly copped being outcoached -- and swapped roles to try and lift/bring a fresh perspective to various areas.
Remember when our lineout was absolute pants? I do, it was just terrible. The 2000's were deeply frustrating as a supporter at times
Yes I remember the 2000’s it’s feels like that all over again doesn’t it.
-
@mn5 well I only went by what the AB and Hurricanes site said, I thought he'd be closest which is why I checked.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 well I only went by what the AB and Hurricanes site said, I thought he'd be closest which is why I checked.
Players should get weighed in before games just like boxing and MMA. That way if they play poorly we can criticise the heftier players for too much KFC and the lighter players for not hitting the gym hard enough.
-
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan that too but why so much defense. Keep the damn ball.
Are we not confident in our ability to recycle? The refs are certainly more ready to allow competition, lawful or otherwise
@canefan maybe it is because our tackling is not dominant. We are going backwards. I mean a year or so ago Ofa was knocking people backwards. What happened. That’s why Akira needs to be in and not saying he is the solution. The engine room needs to improve.
-
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 well I only went by what the AB and Hurricanes site said, I thought he'd be closest which is why I checked.
Players should get weighed in before games just like boxing and MMA. That way if they play poorly we can criticise the heftier players for too much KFC and the lighter players for not hitting the gym hard enough.
@mn5 you could also weigh them after to see who had tried the hardest, didn't lose xkg's?....laps
-
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 well I only went by what the AB and Hurricanes site said, I thought he'd be closest which is why I checked.
Players should get weighed in before games just like boxing and MMA. That way if they play poorly we can criticise the heftier players for too much KFC and the lighter players for not hitting the gym hard enough.
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 well I only went by what the AB and Hurricanes site said, I thought he'd be closest which is why I checked.
Players should get weighed in before games just like boxing and MMA. That way if they play poorly we can criticise the heftier players for too much KFC and the lighter players for not hitting the gym hard enough.
Weigh the fucking coaches while we are at it,
-
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Nothing about tactics or we need to get better as a coaching group, just it’s everyone else’s fault.
Stark contrast with Henry/Hansen/Smith, who openly copped being outcoached -- and swapped roles to try and lift/bring a fresh perspective to various areas.
Remember when our lineout was absolute pants? I do, it was just terrible. The 2000's were deeply frustrating as a supporter at times
Yes I remember the 2000’s it’s feels like that all over again doesn’t it.
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Nothing about tactics or we need to get better as a coaching group, just it’s everyone else’s fault.
Stark contrast with Henry/Hansen/Smith, who openly copped being outcoached -- and swapped roles to try and lift/bring a fresh perspective to various areas.
Remember when our lineout was absolute pants? I do, it was just terrible. The 2000's were deeply frustrating as a supporter at times
Yes I remember the 2000’s it’s feels like that all over again doesn’t it.
To be that lucky.
-
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Nothing about tactics or we need to get better as a coaching group, just it’s everyone else’s fault.
Stark contrast with Henry/Hansen/Smith, who openly copped being outcoached -- and swapped roles to try and lift/bring a fresh perspective to various areas.
Remember when our lineout was absolute pants? I do, it was just terrible. The 2000's were deeply frustrating as a supporter at times
Yes I remember the 2000’s it’s feels like that all over again doesn’t it.
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Nothing about tactics or we need to get better as a coaching group, just it’s everyone else’s fault.
Stark contrast with Henry/Hansen/Smith, who openly copped being outcoached -- and swapped roles to try and lift/bring a fresh perspective to various areas.
Remember when our lineout was absolute pants? I do, it was just terrible. The 2000's were deeply frustrating as a supporter at times
Yes I remember the 2000’s it’s feels like that all over again doesn’t it.
Interestingly, the Irish game felt a bit like when SA beat the ABs in 2004 (40-26 - Marius Joubert hattrick). Henry, Hansen and Smith jettisoned some of the old guard and brought in new faces. It resulted in the Paris 2004 performance which was a real marker.
-
@canefan maybe it is because our tackling is not dominant. We are going backwards. I mean a year or so ago Ofa was knocking people backwards. What happened. That’s why Akira needs to be in and not saying he is the solution. The engine room needs to improve.
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan maybe it is because our tackling is not dominant. We are going backwards. I mean a year or so ago Ofa was knocking people backwards. What happened. That’s why Akira needs to be in and not saying he is the solution. The engine room needs to improve.
The more I think about it, the more the passive tackling seems to be a tactic to soak up pressure and invite teams to overplay and go for the turnover. It also has the benefit of reducing the risk of yellow and red cards, which the ABs have had several of in recent years since SBW in 2017.
-
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 well I only went by what the AB and Hurricanes site said, I thought he'd be closest which is why I checked.
Players should get weighed in before games just like boxing and MMA. That way if they play poorly we can criticise the heftier players for too much KFC and the lighter players for not hitting the gym hard enough.
-
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 well I only went by what the AB and Hurricanes site said, I thought he'd be closest which is why I checked.
Players should get weighed in before games just like boxing and MMA. That way if they play poorly we can criticise the heftier players for too much KFC and the lighter players for not hitting the gym hard enough.
Weigh the fucking coaches while we are at it,
@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 well I only went by what the AB and Hurricanes site said, I thought he'd be closest which is why I checked.
Players should get weighed in before games just like boxing and MMA. That way if they play poorly we can criticise the heftier players for too much KFC and the lighter players for not hitting the gym hard enough.
Weigh the fucking coaches while we are at it,
Getting the machines that weigh shipping containers might be a bit of a pain to transport to Rugby grounds
-
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan maybe it is because our tackling is not dominant. We are going backwards. I mean a year or so ago Ofa was knocking people backwards. What happened. That’s why Akira needs to be in and not saying he is the solution. The engine room needs to improve.
The more I think about it, the more the passive tackling seems to be a tactic to soak up pressure and invite teams to overplay and go for the turnover. It also has the benefit of reducing the risk of yellow and red cards, which the ABs have had several of in recent years since SBW in 2017.
@stodders To me a dominant tackle is one will you stop the opposition or they’re are driven backwards so you’re changing the gain line. It’s easier when you’re moving forward to get a turnover under that scenario. It would be good to have a bigger 2nd lock than 2 beanpoles like an Sam Lousi type or Brad Thorn for those who think I’m off my rocker.
