All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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Interesting comments from Foster:
"I think our pack’s gone pretty well through the year. Overall, I’ve been reasonably satisfied to date"
“Certainly, we got put on the back foot a little bit last night, but parts of our forward play, I thought, was really good"
“But, consistently over 80 minutes, we’ve got to get stronger, and, also, we’ve got to make sure that we’re giving our forwards a chance to impose themselves on the opposition a bit better."
This is an interesting one. Basically saying to the backs stop messing up so that we can get the forwards into our attacking patterns.
“I thought we turned over a lot of ball in the backs within one-to-two phases again, and that’s something that actually hurt us in the first test against South Africa, even though we won it."
“We got into a similar problem [against Ireland], and that came back to bite us a little bit, so it’s really a matter of backs being accountable for the decisions they make and retaining the ball to give our forwards a chance to impose themselves, and that’s going to be a big part of the solution.”
Whether you agree with his prognosis, he's not exactly wrong that the backline in general were poor on Saturday and brought on additional pressure. In the past when the AB forwards have been under pressure, the backs have offered a way to relieve that pressure and keep the opposition honest. That outlet wasn't there on Saturday.
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@stodders I think the backs aren’t given much of a chance. Yes they made mistakes and some ownership there but what kind of forward platform does he think is good? I don’t understand the man.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders I think the backs aren’t given much of a chance. Yes they made mistakes and some ownership there but what kind of forward platform does he think is good? I don’t understand the man.
I think he's saying that mistakes by the backs and poor ball retention are disrupting the forwards by forcing them onto the defensive and disrupting their momentum.
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@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Smith will magically fix all these issues.
Conrad's long gone. Might be an idea to tap his not-inconsiderable brain on back-play though
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@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Smith will magically fix all these issues.
Conrad's long gone. Might be an idea to tap his not-inconsiderable brain on back-play though
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Smith will magically fix all these issues.
Conrad's long gone. Might be an idea to tap his not-inconsiderable brain on back-play though
Good call on Conrad. I'm surprised Nonu and Smith aren't being brought into the fold to mentor the next set of centres.
Bones could have been referring to Wayne
Although I suspect he's being sarcastic and referring to Aaron
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Smith will magically fix all these issues.
Conrad's long gone. Might be an idea to tap his not-inconsiderable brain on back-play though
Good call on Conrad. I'm surprised Nonu and Smith aren't being brought into the fold to mentor the next set of centres.
Bones could have been referring to Wayne
Although I suspect he's being sarcastic and referring to Aaron
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Good call on Conrad. I'm surprised Nonu and Smith aren't being brought into the fold to mentor the next set of centres.
That would require forward planning. Much easier to sit back and bask in former glories.
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@stodders Wayne Smith would be great!
Defensive coach: as mentioned above, Mitchell or Schmidt
Forwards coach: Coventry or Jason Ryan and Scott Hansen
Attack Coach: Smith
Analyst: Robertson
Head Coach: Rennie (too late now)EDIT: Tony Brown does interesting things with his attack, especially off set-piece ball.
I'd stick with Scott McLeod on Defence. It's the one aspect of the team which seems to be working well.
EDIT: To be fair, they get loads of practice...
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I'd stick with Scott McLeod on Defence. It's the one aspect of the team which seems to be working well.
EDIT: To be fair, they get loads of practice...
@victor-meldrew
brad mooar is the one to go -
Steeling myself for rewatch of second half (can only face 40 minutes).
We have consistently been struggling in breakdowns this year.
Can blame cleaners but carriers need to run with support in mind, rather than get isolated. One would expect coaches to have drummed that in.
Not sure our loosie balance is right. Need one fetcher, one basher and one roamer, but who needs some size. I'd see Cane/Bladder and Paps being in the first category, Akira and Frizell in second and Jacobson/Sotutu in latter. Savea is wonderful player, but doesn't quite fit the mould in any of the positions. He'd be on the bench if I were selecting for French.
I think Tuapea has best head on him of three (fit) candidates for midfield. I'd be inclined to start with Havili at 12, outside Richie (assume BB forced out), with Quinn at 13. Rieko at wing, but option to move in.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders I think the backs aren’t given much of a chance. Yes they made mistakes and some ownership there but what kind of forward platform does he think is good? I don’t understand the man.
I think he's saying that mistakes by the backs and poor ball retention are disrupting the forwards by forcing them onto the defensive and disrupting their momentum.
@victor-meldrew I get that but rugby has always been a game where success starts up front. Fix that then see what we have. I agree that we shouldn’t be kicking the ball away as much, the kicking is poor and atrocious passing and decision making. Our forwards have to own the game instead of being tackling bags. How about our forwards show us 2 minutes of sustained retention of the ball and see how that changes the opposition defensive patterns. Our backs might just have more space. They had nothing really on Saturday.
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@victor-meldrew I get that but rugby has always been a game where success starts up front. Fix that then see what we have. I agree that we shouldn’t be kicking the ball away as much, the kicking is poor and atrocious passing and decision making. Our forwards have to own the game instead of being tackling bags. How about our forwards show us 2 minutes of sustained retention of the ball and see how that changes the opposition defensive patterns. Our backs might just have more space. They had nothing really on Saturday.
It's chicken and egg. The forwards can't operate the game plan(?) if the backs are screwing up ball retention. If I read Foster correctly, he's saying the forwards can retain possession for as long as we want, but if the backs cough it up and screw the forwards attack plans, it screws everything.
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It's chicken and egg. The forwards can't operate the game plan(?) if the backs are screwing up ball retention. If I read Foster correctly, he's saying the forwards can retain possession for as long as we want, but if the backs cough it up and screw the forwards attack plans, it screws everything.
@victor-meldrew I get your drift but I’ll take a dominant forward pack any day.
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It's chicken and egg. The forwards can't operate the game plan(?) if the backs are screwing up ball retention. If I read Foster correctly, he's saying the forwards can retain possession for as long as we want, but if the backs cough it up and screw the forwards attack plans, it screws everything.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
It's chicken and egg. The forwards can't operate the game plan(?) if the backs are screwing up ball retention. If I read Foster correctly, he's saying the forwards can retain possession for as long as we want, but if the backs cough it up and screw the forwards attack plans, it screws everything.
Don't give it to the backs. Play off 9. Simples
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
It's chicken and egg. The forwards can't operate the game plan(?) if the backs are screwing up ball retention. If I read Foster correctly, he's saying the forwards can retain possession for as long as we want, but if the backs cough it up and screw the forwards attack plans, it screws everything.
Don't give it to the backs. Play off 9. Simples
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He backed Rennie didn’t he?
@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
He backed Rennie didn’t he?
Henry didn't back Rennie, he was never in the picture, he was in agreement with Aus from 6 months before the job came up. Henry just said NZR should of tried to keep Rennie etc in NZ rugby fold. Same as Joseph (who I keen on) were already tied up. Only one other person actually stood , that was Razor Robertson, ironically a bloody good coach of a good team , but one that ironically has same amount of losses this year to ABs with similar amount of games. I not into who should or shouldn't be coach, as I not really sure how good or bad any of coaches are, as I really personally haven't been involved in the teams (unfortunately :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: )
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Smith will magically fix all these issues.
Conrad's long gone. Might be an idea to tap his not-inconsiderable brain on back-play though
Good call on Conrad. I'm surprised Nonu and Smith aren't being brought into the fold to mentor the next set of centres.
Bones could have been referring to Wayne
Although I suspect he's being sarcastic and referring to Aaron
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@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
@bones said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders no sarcasm. It'll be amazing how much easier it is to get the team moving forward when the team are actually being passed to.
Yep but chicken and egg thing remains in some cases, it certainly a lot easier for forwards to win phase ball etc if the ball is in front of them. Sometimes we see the ball passed too much behind the advantage line, and as most people will realise the advantage line , and crossing it is almost evrything in rugby, only was to get flow going.
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
He backed Rennie didn’t he?
Henry didn't back Rennie, he was never in the picture, he was in agreement with Aus from 6 months before the job came up. Henry just said NZR should of tried to keep Rennie etc in NZ rugby fold. Same as Joseph (who I keen on) were already tied up. Only one other person actually stood , that was Razor Robertson, ironically a bloody good coach of a good team , but one that ironically has same amount of losses this year to ABs with similar amount of games. I not into who should or shouldn't be coach, as I not really sure how good or bad any of coaches are, as I really personally haven't been involved in the teams (unfortunately :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: )
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I'd stick with Scott McLeod on Defence. It's the one aspect of the team which seems to be working well.
EDIT: To be fair, they get loads of practice...
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
I'd stick with Scott McLeod on Defence. It's the one aspect of the team which seems to be working well.
EDIT: To be fair, they get loads of practice...
The scramble defence is good but our line gets opened up far too easily and we are still relatively passive.
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@dan54 Give Rennie time. Remember his team beat the Boks twice, it’s his first year coaching an international team unlike Foster and is their depth better than ours?
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@dan54 Give Rennie time. Remember his team beat the Boks twice, it’s his first year coaching an international team unlike Foster and is their depth better than ours?
Well in that case, If he doesn't win the RC or Bledisloe next year, Oz should dump him and he be kept as far way from the ABs as possible as he's obviously just as useless a coach as Foster.....
I mean, it's just logical, innit?
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