The Future of Protein?
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and then what happens to sheep/cows/chickens etc if not farmed? Extinct, or need to be kept on a big open grass expanse to roam free?
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@taniwharugby said in The Future of Protein?:
and then what happens to sheep/cows/chickens etc if not farmed? Extinct, or need to be kept on a big open grass expanse to roam free?
Greatest mass cull in the history of animal life, right up PETAs alley killing animals.
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@kirwan I read an article many years ago saying the best way to stop Kiwi from extinction, was to farm them for the table...
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@chimoaus said in The Future of Protein?:
Well, it is highly likely once cultivated/plant meat is cheaper and tastes the same consumers will make the transition to this much more environmentally friendly option.
I eat both enthusiastically.
Smoke brisket, pork and so on, but we are flexitarian during the week. Compared to 10 years ago, I'd say our meat consumption has probably halved.
Sunfed Farms Chicken Free Chicken is fine. Once we're paying for carbon sensibly and the pea production scales, it'll be far cheaper than other meat.
So yeah, I'm with you. The future will be a mix of both.
@mariner4life quality fella, cannibalism is the answer to both feeding the hungry and overpopulation in one fell swoop
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@taniwharugby there will always be a market for live animals, the size of the herd will naturally decrease if demand reduces. Farmers are not going to breed animals if they can't sell them for a profit.
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@nzzp I have never understood the carbon argument with beef and sheep in NZ. There is very low inputs on alot of that land, and it lacks many other use cases apart from forest. There is no other food producable on that land so its either food or carbon sequestering.
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@kirwan Agreed, there will always be a market for live animal meat, perhaps they should include the externalities or environmental costs into the price, this may change demand.
I think once it is at scale and costs the same I would buy cultivated meat.
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@taniwharugby said in The Future of Protein?:
@kirwan I read an article many years ago saying the best way to stop Kiwi from extinction, was to farm them for the table...
I definitely couldn’t eat a Kiwi, not sure why it’s just a chicken type bird.
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@mn5 said in The Future of Protein?:
The other half’s mother made us all a bunch of vegan patties a few weeks back and I for one was astonished how good they tasted. Of course I chucked lots of hot sauce on but still, just delicious.
Well then it's just a sauce delivery platform. Could have been made of cardboard.
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@muddyriver said in The Future of Protein?:
@nzzp I have never understood the carbon argument with beef and sheep in NZ. There is very low inputs on alot of that land, and it lacks many other use cases apart from forest. There is no other food producable on that land so its either food or carbon sequestering.
I think the argument is around methane primarily - the feed is grown and then decomposes in a very short carbon lifecycle.
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@mariner4life said in The Future of Protein?:
if they take away my ability to purchase animals, then i will eat people
There will always be a choice and live animal meat will always be one. The question is once there is a cheaper alternative that is better for the environment will this have an impact on traditional farming.
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@nta said in The Future of Protein?:
@mn5 said in The Future of Protein?:
The other half’s mother made us all a bunch of vegan patties a few weeks back and I for one was astonished how good they tasted. Of course I chucked lots of hot sauce on but still, just delicious.
Well then it's just a sauce delivery platform. Could have been made of cardboard.
If it’s got protein so I can maintain my #gainz then I’m all for it.
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@taniwharugby I'm not sure many farming animals resemble their previous wild ancestors, and as such are unlikely to survive as wild animals. They would exist as farming animals, pets and probably in zoos or some sort of sanctuary.
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Always has been and always will be a human problem not an animal problem.
There are too many of us on the planet.
And there’s too much food waste.
That’s where all these Climate Change discussions should begin and end.
Otherwise we’re just shuffling the deck.
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I have been a vegetarian for over 20 years and would welcome less animals being slaughtered and plant protein being used instead. I have never really thought about the environmental angle and I suppose that is important (because that actually might hurt humans so people are now worried - ha ha), I just feel sad when I see animals killed (and growing up on a farm, I saw a lot of that).
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@chimoaus I raised this very issue with my wife. She wouldn't contemplate the idea of eating lab meat. In fact she dismissed the concept with astonishing speed. I shouldn't be surprised given she grew up on a cattle farm.
We both agree that free range is an important consideration, happy to pay more to support it and thankfully change is coming in the poultry industry in Australia.
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@mikethesnow said in The Future of Protein?:
Always has been and always will be a human problem not an animal problem.
There are too many of us on the planet.
And there’s too much food waste.
That’s where all these Climate Change discussions should begin and end.
Otherwise we’re just shuffling the deck.
Agree about humans but we aren't going anywhere, we raise over 50 billion chickens each year for consumption and there are over 20 billion farm animals waiting to be slaughtered now. We have to grow crops to feed these animals, they release emissions, take up lots of space etc.
If that protein could be grown with significantly less resources, land and impacts it has to make a difference, that is what I'm getting at.
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@antipodean It is an interesting debate and I am curious about people's beliefs and opinions on the matter.
Do you happen to know why she is so against it as I am sure many will share her thoughts?
I think once people are given a choice, much like renewable energy, electric cars etc many will choose the more environmentally friendly option.
