The Future of Protein?
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@chimoaus said in The Future of Protein?:
@antipodean It is an interesting debate and I am curious about people's beliefs and opinions on the matter.
Do you happen to know why she is so against it as I am sure many will share her thoughts?
She said it was "weird". Then when pressed asked how you could be know what cut it was modelled on, i.e. how you weren't getting a turdburger made from lips and arseholes, or a rolled roast wasn't a dick, etc.
I think once people are given a choice, much like renewable energy, electric cars etc many will choose the more environmentally friendly option.
She did question how building the infrastructure to make lab meat on an industrial scale could be less environmentally damaging.
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"Lab grown meat" aka, growing animal cells in bioreactors for meat replicas or substitutes will likely never be possible for economic, and practicality reasons. A lot of scams out there in that area. I think it's a genuinely stupid idea and a terrible waste of resources.
There's a (very optimistic to me) analysis in the journal Biotechnology & Bioengineering. Still looking at very high costs, and that is with things going well.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bit.27848
Commentary here on practicalities and economics that is worth reading:
Lab-grown meat was supposed to be inevitable. Here's why it isn't.
Splashy headlines aside, new research suggests the industry is on a billion-dollar crash course with reality.
Single cell protein from engineered yeast is much more interesting to me.
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@mariner4life said in The Future of Protein?:
if they take away my ability to purchase animals, then i will eat people
That's very environmentally responsible, the world's pop is too big.
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@tim Yeah Chicken appears to be the most efficient live animal meat. I wonder if the price of feed is driven down by subsidies etc. I have no doubt the price of plant based protein will continue to drop as demand increases and more investment is made. It has to be the same price or cheaper before lots of people change their buying habits.
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@kirwan said in The Future of Protein?:
That is super far off, particularly at scale. Even it did take off, it will be direct competition with the healthy organic market.
So will always be a market for real meat IMO.
As far as alternative protein sources go, I’d bet on bugs beating lab grown meat. Lots of progress being made on that front too.
My immediate reaction to the thread title.
An 'Infinite Monkey Cage' episode on this was along the lines of insects being very similar to crustaceans.
I'll see if I can find it.
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@taniwharugby said in The Future of Protein?:
and then what happens to sheep/cows/chickens etc if not farmed? Extinct, or need to be kept on a big open grass expanse to roam free?
there is currently nearly 26 billion chickens in the world. I think we can survive without quite a few of those
and 1 billion cows https://www.statista.com/statistics/263979/global-cattle-population-since-1990/
Poultry: number of chickens worldwide 2023| Statista
How many chickens are in the world? The number of chickens worldwide has more than doubled since 1990.
Considering we eviscerated so many mammals etc for cows chickens etc, I suggest we have too many..
Humans just 0.01% of all life but have destroyed 83% of wild mammals – study
Groundbreaking assessment of all life on Earth reveals humanity’s surprisingly tiny part in it as well as our disproportionate impact
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@mariner4life said in The Future of Protein?:
if they take away my ability to purchase animals, then i will eat people
so vegetarians should be safe, as they will have a far less meaty taste..
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@kirwan said in The Future of Protein?:
As far as alternative protein sources go, I’d bet on bugs beating lab grown meat. Lots of progress being made on that front too.
Thai's love eating bugs. And pay good money (by Thai stds) for them. I thought of trying but gave it a miss
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@winger said in The Future of Protein?:
@kirwan said in The Future of Protein?:
As far as alternative protein sources go, I’d bet on bugs beating lab grown meat. Lots of progress being made on that front too.
Thai's love eating bugs. And pay good money (by Thai stds) for them. I thought of trying but gave it a miss
Yeah, will have to be presented slightly differently to western eaters.
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@chimoaus soy would have to be one of the most popular and subsidized crops in the world. And a huge amount of deforestation has gone on to allow that. Now often that's used for feeding agriculture at high intensive feeding farms.
I would definitely avoid a world based on soy protein if I could
Also monculture industrial horticulture is very very harsh on soils and requires a alot of water usually through irrigation so the trade off isn't so amazing.
Basically less people allows for low intensive farming like nzs beef and sheep farms which by world standards are as low cost to the environment as food can be.
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@muddyriver said in The Future of Protein?:
Basically less people
so back to the cannibalism part mentioned at the start
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@taniwharugby unvaccinated or "organic" humans top of list, will be mandated shortly.
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@mariner4life said in The Future of Protein?:
if they take away my ability to purchase animals, then i will eat people
I'll send you some recipes.
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@muddyriver said in The Future of Protein?:
@taniwharugby unvaccinated or "organic" humans top of list, will be mandated shortly.
with all the plastics in the world are there any?
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@winger Nothing wrong with eating bugs. Crickets are surprisingly pleasant. Silk worms are bloody fantastic.
@antipodean said in The Future of Protein?:
She said it was "weird". Then when pressed asked how you could be know what cut it was modelled on, i.e. how you weren't getting a turdburger made from lips and arseholes, or a rolled roast wasn't a dick, etc.
Hope your missus doesn't eat commercial sausages then
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@muddyriver said in The Future of Protein?:
@taniwharugby unvaccinated or "organic" humans top of list, will be mandated shortly.
Can we add cyclists and vegans ?
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Haven't read most of the comments, but aquaculture will be a big thing in the future.
Personally I can live without red meat but I'll declare war if you take my chicken or turkey.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Future of Protein?:
Haven't read most of the comments, but aquaculture will be a big thing in the future.
Personally I can live without red meat but I'll declare war if you take my chicken or turkey.
I’m defriending, blocking AND reporting you on every platform I possibly can.
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@mn5 said in The Future of Protein?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Future of Protein?:
Haven't read most of the comments, but aquaculture will be a big thing in the future.
Personally I can live without red meat but I'll declare war if you take my chicken or turkey.
I’m defriending, blocking AND reporting you on every platform I possibly can.
Pffft. I'll never get banned from here.
