Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz
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<p>Eddie Jones needs to scrap Pennyhill Park and get the boys shovelling shit soon as possible. Good prep for an overseas tour.</p>
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<p>Get the Welsh back on their farms & down the pits would be a better option.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="580200" data-time="1463394154"><p>Islander genes have only been a factor relatively recently, I don't see that as a major factor personally. Every single race on earth did it tough with "manual labour" type jobs so NZ is hardly unique there either and the farming example is a bit poor too. Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby......</p></blockquote>
Diet helps enormously. You're not going to make many rugby players on rice or lentils.<br><br>
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<p>This is about the way Samoa has become an NFL production line, cause they are, you know, sort of perfect. Same deal.</p> -
<p>I would say Basketball was about the 4th winter sport when I was growing up in the 70's.</p>
<p> The same as it is now.</p>
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<p>National schools comp. It was the #1 sport at my school. Semi-pro club comp broadcast on TV. Stan Hill was a bit of a legend. Beat the Aussies for the first time. Internationally we suffered because we had to get past the Aussies to qualify for World Cup but there was certainly a lot of interest in the game.</p>
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<p>It has definitely grown helped by the profile of the national league in the 80's and the broadcasting of NBA / globalisation of that brand around gear marketing but basketball wasn't unknown as Gollum seems to think</p>
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<p>Basketball was huge at WBHS when I was there, even before Pero Cameron was playing in the team, there was a decent team up here then too in whatever the national league was called back then...now I don't know if is a team at all.</p>
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<p>I would say Basketball was about the 4th winter sport when I was growing up in the 70's.</p>
<p> The same as it is now.</p>
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<p>National schools comp. It was the #1 sport at my school. Semi-pro club comp broadcast on TV. Stan Hill was a bit of a legend. Beat the Aussies for the first time. Internationally we suffered because we had to get past the Aussies to qualify for World Cup but there was certainly a lot of interest in the game.</p>
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<p>It has definitely grown helped by the profile of the national league in the 80's and the broadcasting of NBA / globalisation of that brand around gear marketing but basketball wasn't unknown as Gollum seems to think</p>
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<p>Yep - Stan Hill, John Hill, Dutchie Rademakers - household names.</p>
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<p>Soccer was big through the '70s, in fact, we had a proper national league and "domestic soccer" was better organized and more popular than what it in now - with the Phoenix and not much else with any profile. They used to get crowds to rival provincial rugby matches. </p>
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<p>Through the '70s there were annual title battles between Christchurch United and Mt Wellington and various bit part players - Wellington Diamond United, Stop Out, Caversham and others whose names escape me.</p> -
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<p>Napier City Rovers,</p>
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<p>North Shore United, Eastern Suburbs, Blockhouse Bay</p>
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<p>Think that's the league.....</p>
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Pre 1990 basketball was non exisitant in NZ,</p></blockquote>
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Not actuallt correct. I played a lit of badketball (badly) as a kid at intermediate and 3rd & 4th form in the very early 80s.<br><br>
I also recall being hooked on the Lakers v Celtics playofds aroynd the same time.<br><br>
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<p>Not actuallt correct. I played a lit of badketball (badly) as a kid at intermediate and 3rd & 4th form in the very early 80s.<br><br>
I also recall being hooked on the Lakers v Celtics playofds aroynd the same time.<br><br>
Not to mention Kenny McFadden and the Exchequer Saints.</p>
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<p>My ex father in law played provincially for many years in the 70s/80s too which is pretty good for a sport that didn't exist.</p> -
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<p>Not actuallt correct. I played a lit of badketball (badly) as a kid at intermediate and 3rd & 4th form in the very early 80s.<br><br>
I also recall being hooked on the Lakers v Celtics playofds aroynd the same time.<br><br><strong>Not to mention Kenny McFadden and the Exchequer Saints.</strong></p>
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<p>When I played basketball in 3rd form he like Richie to me and my team mates, iirc there used to be a basketball game on tv on saturday night?</p> -
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<p>Gee my typing is crap and I'm sober ...<br><br>
Miramar was another soccer team that did the rounds.</p>
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<p>Miramar rangers, I don't know how they were able to afford it but they got Justin Fashenu to come out and play a season for them.</p> -
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<p>Gee my typing is crap and I'm sober ...<br><br>
Miramar was another soccer team that did the rounds.</p>
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<p>I remember when the ABs smashed the South of Scotland 84-5 in the 93 tour they did a piece on Norm Hewitt catching up with Gary Parker who played Soccer for Napier city before switching to rugby.......</p>
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<p>In most countries the hard labour of clearing & fencing an entire country was done 2000 years ago. And NZ was predominantly farming / manual labour until pretty recently, mopst other nations thats not the case. Its the same reason white SA works for rugby. You have a genetic group based on people who did that work & could survive it.</p>
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<p>"Lots of farms all over the world in countries that suck at Rugby"</p>
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<p>You are missing the % of the popualtion bit. Its like saying "lots of countries have beaches, why do beaches make Aussies good at water sports!" and ignoring the % of the population living near beaches. </p>
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<p>But going by this argument harsh countries behind the Iron Curtain should produce the best Rugby forwards on earth. Romania, Georgia etc produce some big, scary munters for sure but are they the best ? with one or two exceptions, no.</p>
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<p>Same with the "explosive" islander clichÃ
which is a bit tenuous when you consider all the big, quick fast guys who play NFL. Surely with their population there would be more than enough to make a couple of the best wingers on earth ?</p>
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<p>We have a Rugby "aura" built up over generations that NZ should rightly be proud of but to say we produce superior athletes based on this is bullshit. I'm a big Scots rugby fan and they've had any number of big, fast wingers over the years, names like Lamont x 2, Danielli, Walker, Visser to name a few all of whom are 100kg + and can lift some big tin and post excellent 100 metre times. But do they ever beat the ABs based on this ?</p> -
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<p>My ex father in law played provincially for many years in the 70s/80s too which is pretty good for a sport that didn't exist.</p>
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<p>I recall it becoming a thing during the 1980s, at about the same time break dancing did. And Michael Jackson's thriller. I played a bit at school and then promptly ignored it. Ever since I've found it near impossible to give a shit about.</p> -
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<p>I recall it becoming a thing during the 1980s, at about the same time break dancing did. And Michael Jackson's thriller. I played a bit at school and then promptly ignored it. Ever since I've found it near impossible to give a shit about.</p>
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<p>I'm like that after a brief infatuation with Guitar "God" Eric Clapton....but MJ will always fill the D floor, guaranteed.</p>
