All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour

[canefan]

That 25 minutes after the half give me hope that, in the right hands, we can put put a good team who can compete and win. I have zero faith Fozzie and his team can work that out

[nostrildamus]

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.

I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.

Technical advisor like the 2003 Blues?

Exactly.

There are several who would be an improvement.
Anyone even. Perhaps an actual coach would be a good idea?
(I feel more bitter today than Mike Hosking with a shave and a haircut).

[nostrildamus]

@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.

I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.

Technical advisor like the 2003 Blues?

Exactly.

If the answer is bringing in a 76 year old retired coach, the issues are worse that I thought.

With fresher ideas. That is the real killer.

[westcoastie]

@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.

I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.

Technical advisor like the 2003 Blues?

Exactly.

If the answer is bringing in a 76 year old retired coach, the issues are worse that I thought.

That's age-ist. Just because the man is 76 doesn't mean a thing. He retired from the AB's at the right time.
But he's also got the experience to cut to the core of any issues, provide clarity over 12 months, and give us a shot.

[stodders]

Just imagine this place if NZ hadn't won back to back WCs in 2011 and 2015. Foster would need a security detail!

[Tim]

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.

I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.

Be interesting to see what influence Schmidt has on the Blues defence next year. Might be the guy to bring in to get us playing a more modern and aggressive pattern.

[stodders]

@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.

I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.

Be interesting to see what influence Schmidt has on the Blues defence next year. Might be the guy to bring in to get us playing a more modern and aggressive pattern.

This

[stodders]

@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.

I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.

Be interesting to see what influence Schmidt has on the Blues defence next year. Might be the guy to bring in to get us playing a more modern and aggressive pattern.

This

He also might improve player ball retention skills. Both Leinster and Ireland are reaping the benefit of his coaching in this area.

[canefan]

What have we learned from tonight?

1. Our tight 5 is not what it once was, but if we play direct we can still compete
2. Loose forwards as currently constructed are too loose
3. Without Aaron Smith we are lost
4. RM is not a test 10 we can depend on. Yet. Maybe not even
5. The Havili experiment is a fail
6. Tupaea and Ioane could be a go in MF. Clint certainly looks like he has the hard edge we gave lacked and could be the 12 we need to pair with
7. Jordan has one wing spot locked down, and Jordie had a very good tour. That leaves one wing spot up for grabs
8. Foster doesn't have it

[gt12]

@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..

If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.

Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.

I think a full strength Australia side is a good bit better than when we played them.

Do you think NZ would win most of their tests at home? What we're seeing is NZ losing away matches. Losing away is quite common for most other teams, especially in front of large, vocal support.

Honestly, winning 85%+ over last 16/17 years has skewed things. Winning away used to be a great feat. Maybe you'll begin to treasure them again

It's a small sample size (5/8 or 62.5%) over two years but compared to NZ's record in the professional era pre-Fozzie as head (94/124 or 76%) we are still struggling.

[nostrildamus]

@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Just imagine this place if NZ hadn't won back to back WCs in 2011 and 2015. Foster would need a security detail!

Security detail? I know just the guys to manage it.
Plumtree and McLeod could handle security and defence!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/118348858/new-all-blacks-assistant-john-plumtree-on-his-new-role-ive-got-fozzies-back

[BerniesCorner]

Dont wanna get technical just know that the forwards aint f*******g right

[westcoastie]

@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.

I just want Razor to have a clean slate post that-France.

Be interesting to see what influence Schmidt has on the Blues defence next year. Might be the guy to bring in to get us playing a more modern and aggressive pattern.

ohhhh. forgot Schmidt was in-town. He'd certainly have an idea about how to build it, and how to break it down. Ireland though were cooked by the time he was finished, Andy Farrell has refreshed them.

[Chris]

Thank you Ian for another clueless fucking performance.
I can’t wait to lose 3 more games in 2022 and get knocked out in the WC QF.
All you Foster fans enjoy that BS more to come.

AB,s are an embarrassment under the clown coaching circus.

[Bones]

@kirwan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Yeah how can Foster survive the summer? That was a joke.

When was the last time an AB coach was fired?

Poor selections, poor game plans and no improvements after poor games.

Why keep him?

So you're saying it's Henry's fault?

Fucking Deans strikes again.

[nostrildamus]

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

What have we learned from tonight?

1. Our tight 5 is not what it once was, but if we play direct we can still compete
2. Loose forwards as currently constructed are too loose
3. Without Aaron Smith we are lost
4. RM is not a test 10 we can depend on. Yet. Maybe not even
5. The Havili experiment is a fail
6. Tupaea and Ioane could be a go in MF. Clint certainly looks like he has the hard edge we gave lacked and could be the 12 we need to pair with
7. Jordan has one wing spot locked down, and Jordie had a very good tour. That leaves one wing spot up for grabs
8. Foster doesn't have it

who is Clint? Quinn?

[Bones]

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

All you Foster fans enjoy that BS more to come

Just because people don't think Jesus Robertson is the answer to everything, doesn't mean they're Foster fans. Get a fucking grip.

[pakman]

@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

it may surprise all on here but I am not a fan of our coaching tactics. But I don't think we should get personally nasty.
I still think our players are better than the way they played this season or the results, but we don't have the players of yore and the competition has got better. We just have to live with it and probably another poor 2 years.

The really frustrating thing is that in parts tonite - 40-60 mins - they were great. But once things started to go wrong, so many players seemed to fall apart and they weren't the newer players either.

Discipline when they have momentum with them is really fragile which makes me wonder if there's a team mentality issue.

My sense is that the players are mentally stale. Quite a few games. Being in bubble. Vibe of the set up. Players coming and going.

Trying to rouse themselves (which they did) when running on fumes.

Contrast the Boks who seem pretty focussed and hungry, still.

Difficult season with Covid restrictions but not a good reflection on management.

[canefan]

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

What have we learned from tonight?

1. Our tight 5 is not what it once was, but if we play direct we can still compete
2. Loose forwards as currently constructed are too loose
3. Without Aaron Smith we are lost
4. RM is not a test 10 we can depend on. Yet. Maybe not even
5. The Havili experiment is a fail
6. Tupaea and Ioane could be a go in MF. Clint certainly looks like he has the hard edge we gave lacked and could be the 12 we need to pair with
7. Jordan has one wing spot locked down, and Jordie had a very good tour. That leaves one wing spot up for grabs
8. Foster doesn't have it

who is Clint? Quinn?

He plays hard, he should be Clint

[Chris]

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

All you Foster fans enjoy that BS more to come

Just because people don't think Jesus Robertson is the answer to everything, doesn't mean they're Foster fans. Get a fucking grip.

I don’t give a flying Fuck who get the job just not this lot of clowns,
So get a fucking grip .