All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour

pakman

In those three losses we had 20 minutes against Boks, 20 minutes against Oirish and 30 minutes against Frogs where we were second rate.
That inconsistency is what is killing us.

Chris

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

All you Foster fans enjoy that BS more to come

Just because people don't think Jesus Robertson is the answer to everything, doesn't mean they're Foster fans. Get a fucking grip.

I don’t give a flying Fuck who get the job just not this lot of clowns,
So get a fucking grip .

Ok but Robertson good

Mickey Mouse would be better than the clown circus.
Just Change the coaches anybody has to be better.

stodders

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

What have we learned from tonight?

Our tight 5 is not what it once was, but if we play direct we can still compete

Loose forwards as currently constructed are too loose

Without Aaron Smith we are lost

RM is not a test 10 we can depend on. Yet. Maybe not even

The Havili experiment is a fail

Tupaea and Ioane could be a go in MF. Clint certainly looks like he has the hard edge we gave lacked and could be the 12 we need to pair with

Jordan has one wing spot locked down, and Jordie had a very good tour. That leaves one wing spot up for grabs

Foster doesn't have it

Pick and go used to be a key strength of NZ forward play. Between 40 and 60 mins, NZ forwards used the pick and go to maximum effect.

The other observation I have is two-fold - applying pressure and penalties. The ABs are playing too much in the wrong part of the pitch. The tactical kicking game has been poor for a while. This doesn't apply pressure to the opposition. And when NZ do get down and play in the opposition third, they give away cheap penalties that again relieves pressure.

sparky

@westcoastie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Is Graham Henry available?
He's literally the one guy I think could turn this around by RWC'23.

Ted was involved in the farcical Foster appointment. Really went down my estimation with that.

stodders

@pakman said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

In those three losses we had 20 minutes against Boks, 20 minutes against Oirish and 30 minutes against Frogs where we were second rate.
That inconsistency is what is killing us.

The good news this week is that ABs stepped up in minutes 40-60, whereas against Boks and Ireland they dominated ABs and scoring in this period.

Does that show progress?

aucklandwarlord

I dont understand how Foster got the job in the first place.

Has everyone forgotten his prior history of poor coaching calls spanning back to the mid-2000's when, as well as ignoring other Steamers players, he snubbed Glen Jackson for David Hill?

The BoP Mafia haven't forgotten, that's for sure.

canefan

@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

What have we learned from tonight?

Our tight 5 is not what it once was, but if we play direct we can still compete

Loose forwards as currently constructed are too loose

Without Aaron Smith we are lost

RM is not a test 10 we can depend on. Yet. Maybe not even

The Havili experiment is a fail

Tupaea and Ioane could be a go in MF. Clint certainly looks like he has the hard edge we gave lacked and could be the 12 we need to pair with

Jordan has one wing spot locked down, and Jordie had a very good tour. That leaves one wing spot up for grabs

Foster doesn't have it

Pick and go used to be a key strength of NZ forward play. Between 40 and 60 mins, NZ forwards used the pick and go to maximum effect.

The other observation I have is two-fold - applying pressure and penalties. The ABs are playing too much in the wrong part of the pitch. The tactical kicking game has been poor for a while. This doesn't apply pressure to the opposition. And when NZ do get down and play in the opposition third, they give away cheap penalties that again relieves pressure.

Since when did ABs kick bombs in MF so much?

Bones

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

All you Foster fans enjoy that BS more to come

Just because people don't think Jesus Robertson is the answer to everything, doesn't mean they're Foster fans. Get a fucking grip.

I don’t give a flying Fuck who get the job just not this lot of clowns,
So get a fucking grip .

Ok but Robertson good

Mickey Mouse would be better than the clown circus.
Just Change the coaches anybody has to be better.

Now we're talking. Opposing Robertson doesn't equal Foster fans. Having patience doesn't equal Foster fans.

canefan

@aucklandwarlord said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

I dont understand how Foster got the job in the first place.

Has everyone forgotten his prior history of poor coaching calls spanning back to the mid-2000's when, as well as ignoring other Steamers players, he snubbed Glen Jackson for David Hill?

The BoP Mafia haven't forgotten, that's for sure.

He's never shown that he can select and coach a winning team

Chris

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

All you Foster fans enjoy that BS more to come

Just because people don't think Jesus Robertson is the answer to everything, doesn't mean they're Foster fans. Get a fucking grip.

I don’t give a flying Fuck who get the job just not this lot of clowns,
So get a fucking grip .

Ok but Robertson good

Mickey Mouse would be better than the clown circus.
Just Change the coaches anybody has to be better.

Now we're talking. Opposing Robertson doesn't equal Foster fans. Having patience doesn't equal Foster fans.

I just want the ABs to win to be honest ,just get some coaches in who can turn this around,
I can’t handle 2 more years of this shit.

stodders

ABs got themselves back into that game and wrestled momentum back.

2 missed tackles, a French counter attack, Savea yellow card and an interception and the momentum was gone. France were there for the taking in the 2nd half. ABs shot themselves in the foot.

number9

Let's just be honest we were out muscled up front by the Irish and now the French. We lack mobility. Our props are saving themselves for the scrums and line outs and are non-existqnt around the paddock.

French and Irish tight 5 are active and mobile.

canefan

@number9 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Let's just be honest we were out muscled up front by the Irish and now the French. We lack mobility. Our props are saving themselves for the scrums and line outs and are non-existqnt around the paddock.

French and Irish tight 5 are active and mobile.

Yup. Battle lost up front

stodders

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

What have we learned from tonight?

Our tight 5 is not what it once was, but if we play direct we can still compete

Loose forwards as currently constructed are too loose

Without Aaron Smith we are lost

RM is not a test 10 we can depend on. Yet. Maybe not even

The Havili experiment is a fail

Tupaea and Ioane could be a go in MF. Clint certainly looks like he has the hard edge we gave lacked and could be the 12 we need to pair with

Jordan has one wing spot locked down, and Jordie had a very good tour. That leaves one wing spot up for grabs

Foster doesn't have it

Pick and go used to be a key strength of NZ forward play. Between 40 and 60 mins, NZ forwards used the pick and go to maximum effect.

The other observation I have is two-fold - applying pressure and penalties. The ABs are playing too much in the wrong part of the pitch. The tactical kicking game has been poor for a while. This doesn't apply pressure to the opposition. And when NZ do get down and play in the opposition third, they give away cheap penalties that again relieves pressure.

Since when did ABs kick bombs in MF so much?

Are they trying to create broken field opportunities and disorganise set defences? It seems a low risk play.

Rather put the ball in behind the defence and play for territory. Force France to win their lineout ball (ABs had some joy disrupting) or kick it away.

Machpants

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@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?

Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.

There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.

But one year of mediocre results is not enough evidence to support the hypothesis. We are at the end of a long year, been away on a tour since god knows how long (since the 3rd Bledisloe in Perth) . In that tour we lost 3 times, and won 7.

No team in any sport can win every game every year every time.

The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.

What about last year?

That was worse than mediocre

Victor Meldrew

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

We've been here before. I remember the pain of previous dips, this one is tough after a golden run like We've had. Gonna be hard for Blacks fans for a while

It'l be a slow process and require looking at what's going wrong across the board - and not thinking there's an easy solution or messiah coach which is going to recreate 2011-2015 in a few months.

There's a worrying lack of depth in key positions and we are going to have to get used to having players who aren't superstars or world-class but do a decent job and stay focussed until we develop talent at lower levels.

In many ways the writing has been on the wall since about 2016 and not just at AB level - it's pretty clear the head honchos have taken their eye off the ball in too any ways.

Bones

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

All you Foster fans enjoy that BS more to come

Just because people don't think Jesus Robertson is the answer to everything, doesn't mean they're Foster fans. Get a fucking grip.

I don’t give a flying Fuck who get the job just not this lot of clowns,
So get a fucking grip .

Ok but Robertson good

Mickey Mouse would be better than the clown circus.
Just Change the coaches anybody has to be better.

Now we're talking. Opposing Robertson doesn't equal Foster fans. Having patience doesn't equal Foster fans.

I just want the ABs to win to be honest ,just get some coaches in who can turn this around,
I can’t handle 2 more years of this shit.

Fucking eh

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Machpants

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@number9 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Let's just be honest we were out muscled up front by the Irish and now the French. We lack mobility. Our props are saving themselves for the scrums and line outs and are non-existqnt around the paddock.

French and Irish tight 5 are active and mobile.

Yup. Battle lost up front

I reckon, like against Ireland the coaching team and moody would disagree

canefan

@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

What have we learned from tonight?

Our tight 5 is not what it once was, but if we play direct we can still compete

Loose forwards as currently constructed are too loose

Without Aaron Smith we are lost

RM is not a test 10 we can depend on. Yet. Maybe not even

The Havili experiment is a fail

Tupaea and Ioane could be a go in MF. Clint certainly looks like he has the hard edge we gave lacked and could be the 12 we need to pair with

Jordan has one wing spot locked down, and Jordie had a very good tour. That leaves one wing spot up for grabs

Foster doesn't have it

Pick and go used to be a key strength of NZ forward play. Between 40 and 60 mins, NZ forwards used the pick and go to maximum effect.

The other observation I have is two-fold - applying pressure and penalties. The ABs are playing too much in the wrong part of the pitch. The tactical kicking game has been poor for a while. This doesn't apply pressure to the opposition. And when NZ do get down and play in the opposition third, they give away cheap penalties that again relieves pressure.

Since when did ABs kick bombs in MF so much?

Are they trying to create broken field opportunities and disorganise set defences? It seems a low risk play.

Rather put the ball in behind the defence and play for territory. Force France to win their lineout ball (ABs had some joy disrupting) or kick it away.

The French were waiting for it and made us pay. Like we used to do

canefan

@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@number9 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Let's just be honest we were out muscled up front by the Irish and now the French. We lack mobility. Our props are saving themselves for the scrums and line outs and are non-existqnt around the paddock.

French and Irish tight 5 are active and mobile.

Yup. Battle lost up front

I reckon, like against Ireland the coaching team and moody would disagree

That there is the problem

The Silver Fern

All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour