All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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"I think with the Irish and the South African boys, we were definitely not where we needed to be. But it just seemed like the speed of the game today – that first 20 they just broke us on the outsides – and I suppose the physicality around our defensive lineout stuff wasn't where it needed to be either. I definitely put it down to physicality in the first two tests, tonight was just... I can't get my head around it at the moment.
This indicates to me that the coaches and leadership group aren't up to date on the current state of the game. Not good.
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
"I think with the Irish and the South African boys, we were definitely not where we needed to be. But it just seemed like the speed of the game today – that first 20 they just broke us on the outsides – and I suppose the physicality around our defensive lineout stuff wasn't where it needed to be either. I definitely put it down to physicality in the first two tests, tonight was just... I can't get my head around it at the moment.
This indicates to me that the coaches and leadership group aren't up to date on the current state of the game. Not good.
At east Coles is admitting the problem, unlike Foster, Plumtree, and also Moody after Ireland
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@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
"I think with the Irish and the South African boys, we were definitely not where we needed to be. But it just seemed like the speed of the game today – that first 20 they just broke us on the outsides – and I suppose the physicality around our defensive lineout stuff wasn't where it needed to be either. I definitely put it down to physicality in the first two tests, tonight was just... I can't get my head around it at the moment.
This indicates to me that the coaches and leadership group aren't up to date on the current state of the game. Not good.
At east Coles is admitting the problem, unlike Foster, Plumtree, and also Moody after Ireland
@machpants simple the props are unemployed at the breakdown and the tight 5 lacks mobility. We are not dominant at the breakdown at all.
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In my opinion some coaches are’nt destined to be successful but there are times several red flags that will stand out to wether things will go south .
1.Individual coaching record , i think we can all agree that was a concern from the time he was appointed to the assistant role to Hansen and part of that process segways nicely into my 2nd issue2.Because Foster was part of the previous regime , what part of a previously failed game plan would he bring to this current All Black team that would be so different than his predecessor ..?
The same voice is always an issue in my book , you would have to have a special mind to stimulate the same players , previously we had also seen errors in terms of individuals being played out of position ..and even more alarmingly anybody who knew a bit about Rugby could see the All Blacks were being pressured at breakdown which lead to ill discipline which meant the opposition have know worked out , hey if we hold the ball and create our own pressure it will be the All Blacks that fold .- Another area i always look to see what good coaches are up to is in and around development , who has Foster developed into a world class player …?.
Papalii and Blackadder come to mind , but they have really only got their opportunties because of injury .
Do us all a favour Foster and admit , you aint got the midas touch and move on
@steven-harris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
who has Foster developed into a world class player …?.
Papalii and Blackadder come to mind , but they have really only got their opportunties because of injury .Samisoni to me would be the only player that might fit this category - Jordan potentially the other.
Papalii may get there in time but he needs more exposure to physical sides like Boks, England & France.
Blackadder has a high work rate but not enough impact to be world class. The problems at 6 remain.
- Another area i always look to see what good coaches are up to is in and around development , who has Foster developed into a world class player …?.
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@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
"I think with the Irish and the South African boys, we were definitely not where we needed to be. But it just seemed like the speed of the game today – that first 20 they just broke us on the outsides – and I suppose the physicality around our defensive lineout stuff wasn't where it needed to be either. I definitely put it down to physicality in the first two tests, tonight was just... I can't get my head around it at the moment.
This indicates to me that the coaches and leadership group aren't up to date on the current state of the game. Not good.
At east Coles is admitting the problem, unlike Foster, Plumtree, and also Moody after Ireland
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
"I think with the Irish and the South African boys, we were definitely not where we needed to be. But it just seemed like the speed of the game today – that first 20 they just broke us on the outsides – and I suppose the physicality around our defensive lineout stuff wasn't where it needed to be either. I definitely put it down to physicality in the first two tests, tonight was just... I can't get my head around it at the moment.
This indicates to me that the coaches and leadership group aren't up to date on the current state of the game. Not good.
At east Coles is admitting the problem, unlike Foster, Plumtree, and also Moody after Ireland
Which is ironic because he was one of the few who fronted up against France
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
That was in many ways a perfect example of what's currently wrong with the team. We did something really good, which put the opposition right under the kosh, but the followed this up with an over eager kick chase, two soft attempts to tackle, no cover for French breakout and then an unnecessary penalty resulting in a YC.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
That was in many ways a perfect example of what's currently wrong with the team. We did something really good, which put the opposition right under the kosh, but the followed this up with an over eager kick chase, two soft attempts to tackle, no cover for French breakout and then an unnecessary penalty resulting in a YC.
@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
That was in many ways a perfect example of what's currently wrong with the team. We did something really good, which put the opposition right under the kosh, but the followed this up with an over eager kick chase, two soft attempts to tackle, no cover for French breakout and then an unnecessary penalty resulting in a YC.
So was that lack of quality or lack of coaching? I think we have examples of both at the moment but the players just didn't execute in that example
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@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We were looking good to take the match but then Ntamack did his business from the in goal and that was that.
That was in many ways a perfect example of what's currently wrong with the team. We did something really good, which put the opposition right under the kosh, but the followed this up with an over eager kick chase, two soft attempts to tackle, no cover for French breakout and then an unnecessary penalty resulting in a YC.
So was that lack of quality or lack of coaching? I think we have examples of both at the moment but the players just didn't execute in that example
@canefan knock on effect.
Poor systems, lack of trust in the systems and then one another, putting themselves under pressure and folding.
Foster didnt sound like he believed himself when he said the group had grown and developed (or whatever he said)
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@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
Are Australia still Tier 1...?
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
Are Australia still Tier 1...?
@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
Are Australia still Tier 1...?
When a team loses three on the trot to Scotland you have to wonder.
@NTA just tagging you so you can see this post. Cheers mate.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
Are Australia still Tier 1...?
When a team loses three on the trot to Scotland you have to wonder.
@NTA just tagging you so you can see this post. Cheers mate.
The way we and SA lost too, TRC is starting to resemble a cripple fight. Especially if we falter in the return matches next year
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@mn5 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
Are Australia still Tier 1...?
When a team loses three on the trot to Scotland you have to wonder.
@NTA just tagging you so you can see this post. Cheers mate.
The way we and SA lost too, TRC is starting to resemble a cripple fight. Especially if we falter in the return matches next year
@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
Are Australia still Tier 1...?
When a team loses three on the trot to Scotland you have to wonder.
@NTA just tagging you so you can see this post. Cheers mate.
The way we and SA lost too, TRC is starting to resemble a cripple fight. Especially if we falter in the return matches next year
Absolutely. My post was a bit of a pisstake, I’m thrilled for the Scots, 3 from 4 is a really good return for their November tests. They’d be a massive chance to register their first win against the ABs right now just like Ireland and Argentina did if only they fucken well played them !
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@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The problem being the ABs group don't see any weakness, just a lack of execution. Foster, plumtree, moody after the Ireland game. All said game plan fine, we weren't dominated up front, mostly execution. Maybe they'll learn now? Can't see it with foster since it's been happening since the lions
They changed tactics at half time and it worked. ST, Akira and Savea were great around the fringes. It looked like we were taking control before the two big moments (YC & intercept)
The lesson is to play tighter, pick more power. The fluff will come later in the game.
Currently we are set up to blow a team off the park from minute one.@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The problem being the ABs group don't see any weakness, just a lack of execution. Foster, plumtree, moody after the Ireland game. All said game plan fine, we weren't dominated up front, mostly execution. Maybe they'll learn now? Can't see it with foster since it's been happening since the lions
They changed tactics at half time and it worked. ST, Akira and Savea were great around the fringes. It looked like we were taking control before the two big moments (YC & intercept)
The lesson is to play tighter, pick more power. The fluff will come later in the game.
Currently we are set up to blow a team off the park from minute one.You referring to the stuff that Foster promised us when he was appointed?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
This one is fucken terrible, this is the leadup play to the French try. The two lazy runners have no intention of catching the ball, they continue moving forward and the lock actually moves forward into the defending player (he actually moves to his left on purpose into the defender). the French then target the channel he is blocking which leads to the break.
are we ... GAGR?
Jokes aside that was appalling refereeing, such a blatent accidental offside that directly led to the line break.
Edit - I say accidental as I think it should have been a scrum, but in fairness it was probably done on purpose.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
This one is fucken terrible, this is the leadup play to the French try. The two lazy runners have no intention of catching the ball, they continue moving forward and the lock actually moves forward into the defending player (he actually moves to his left on purpose into the defender). the French then target the channel he is blocking which leads to the break.
are we ... GAGR?
Jokes aside that was appalling refereeing, such a blatent accidental offside that directly led to the line break.
Edit - I say accidental as I think it should have been a scrum, but in fairness it was probably done on purpose.
The other thing about that phase - we scrambled back afterwards, RM got a body in the way and bounced backwards, then (I think) QT put a really good shot on and was driving the French guy back with some help - RM gets to his feet and has the opportunity to join the tackle and drive straight over the ball, we were a massive shot at a turnover, and instead he runs up, gives the guy a light shove, and retreats again. French recycle, and go again. Really lazy non-confrontational effort from RM, typical of his defensive display all night
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The problem being the ABs group don't see any weakness, just a lack of execution. Foster, plumtree, moody after the Ireland game. All said game plan fine, we weren't dominated up front, mostly execution. Maybe they'll learn now? Can't see it with foster since it's been happening since the lions
They changed tactics at half time and it worked. ST, Akira and Savea were great around the fringes. It looked like we were taking control before the two big moments (YC & intercept)
The lesson is to play tighter, pick more power. The fluff will come later in the game.
Currently we are set up to blow a team off the park from minute one.You referring to the stuff that Foster promised us when he was appointed?
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The problem being the ABs group don't see any weakness, just a lack of execution. Foster, plumtree, moody after the Ireland game. All said game plan fine, we weren't dominated up front, mostly execution. Maybe they'll learn now? Can't see it with foster since it's been happening since the lions
They changed tactics at half time and it worked. ST, Akira and Savea were great around the fringes. It looked like we were taking control before the two big moments (YC & intercept)
The lesson is to play tighter, pick more power. The fluff will come later in the game.
Currently we are set up to blow a team off the park from minute one.You referring to the stuff that Foster promised us when he was appointed?
Imagine how powder puff the team would be if the Ioanes weren’t around ?
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Frizell, Akira, Cane combo doesn’t work for me.
Paps and Blackadder to kick on next season.
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@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
Are Australia still Tier 1...?
When a team loses three on the trot to Scotland you have to wonder.
@NTA just tagging you so you can see this post. Cheers mate.
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@anonymous said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Fozzie has a 75% win percentage as head coach..
If you took out the tests against Tonga, Fiji, USA and Italy, It'd be a 62.5% win rate. So it's an inflated 75% win percentage as well.
Basically we can beat Australia. Against any other Tier 1 we are now 50%.
Are Australia still Tier 1...?
When a team loses three on the trot to Scotland you have to wonder.
@NTA just tagging you so you can see this post. Cheers mate.
Well yeah. You've got us covered for World Cup wins, so....
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@voodoo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The problem being the ABs group don't see any weakness, just a lack of execution. Foster, plumtree, moody after the Ireland game. All said game plan fine, we weren't dominated up front, mostly execution. Maybe they'll learn now? Can't see it with foster since it's been happening since the lions
They changed tactics at half time and it worked. ST, Akira and Savea were great around the fringes. It looked like we were taking control before the two big moments (YC & intercept)
The lesson is to play tighter, pick more power. The fluff will come later in the game.
Currently we are set up to blow a team off the park from minute one.You referring to the stuff that Foster promised us when he was appointed?
Imagine how powder puff the team would be if the Ioanes weren’t around ?
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The problem being the ABs group don't see any weakness, just a lack of execution. Foster, plumtree, moody after the Ireland game. All said game plan fine, we weren't dominated up front, mostly execution. Maybe they'll learn now? Can't see it with foster since it's been happening since the lions
They changed tactics at half time and it worked. ST, Akira and Savea were great around the fringes. It looked like we were taking control before the two big moments (YC & intercept)
The lesson is to play tighter, pick more power. The fluff will come later in the game.
Currently we are set up to blow a team off the park from minute one.You referring to the stuff that Foster promised us when he was appointed?
Imagine how powder puff the team would be if the Ioanes weren’t around ?
Reiko is not a centre
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@number9 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The tight 5 are slow and mobile and lack fitness.
How the hell did Sam Cane get the nod???? Plays 1 game for King Country and he is in. Pathetic!
He came off the bench vs USA and played 80 minutes vs Italy. I thought he went pretty well.
@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@number9 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The tight 5 are slow and mobile and lack fitness.
How the hell did Sam Cane get the nod???? Plays 1 game for King Country and he is in. Pathetic!
He came off the bench vs USA and played 80 minutes vs Italy. I thought he went pretty well.
Factoring in the amount of rugby he's played recently, he actually did really well overall.
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Devo need some new mobile props to appear. Sami showed how it's done.
QT and PUJ can add spice to the MF.
Definitely promising Vaai, Sami, QT.
Paps, Blackadder, JB going well
Where's Razor -
I think we have the players to solve for the back line and get some power play next year. Clark on a wing, like to see that Canterbury winger at centre (can’t recall his name but not selected and should have been) and RTS at 12. A back line of AS, BB, RTS, LF, CC, WJ, JB looks very dangerous to me. Lots of ifs there but we have time under the right coaching.
The forwards, that is a bigger problem.
