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He's doing a really nice job of building an offence that Jones is comfortable with and minimizes risk. Will be interesting to see how he develops. Until recently all he did was check down but lately he's opening up a bit, might be a sign than he's starting to see the field better and have more time to read the play.
This class is a nice example of how hard it is to play QB in the NFL. 'Generational' talent Trevor Lawrence is struggling, Fields, Wilson and Lance look barely startable. Will be very interesting to see what they're all looking like at the end of next season. Generally if they're going to break through they'll be at least looking like competent starters by then. Lance maybe the exception if Jimmy G is playing well enough to keep him on the bench. But the others have no talent is front of them so if they're not starters by then they never will be.
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if you are a 1st year QB going high in the draft, going to the Pats is the fucking business
All those others are at dumpster fires with no protection and no one to throw to. And shit defenses.
Jones is at the Pats under arguably the greatest coach of all time
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if you are a 1st year QB going high in the draft, going to the Pats is the fucking business
All those others are at dumpster fires with no protection and no one to throw to. And shit defenses.
Jones is at the Pats under arguably the greatest coach of all time
It's interesting with Wilson since we have Josh Johnson and Mike White to compare his performance with. They had more success than Wilson did and if you look at the film breakdown you can see that White and Johnson are doing a much better job of taking the easy completions and getting the ball out whereas Wilson is looking further down field, waiting longer and trying to produce the big plays. That's probably a result of being able to play hero ball at college and he needs to learn to manage the game better if he wants to succeed.
The Titans game is a good contrast though - that hero ball is what won the Jets the game. So it's about Wilson learning to judge when a quick completion is good enough and when to wait for a play to develop or roll out and try to create something. The ability to produce those plays is why he got drafted 2nd overall, the ability to pick his moments is the difference between being a franchise QB and a bust.
It's been a really interesting contrast and shows pretty nicely the step up QBs need to make to really succeed in NFL. I haven't followed the others as closely but from what I've read there's similar analysis for the others; showing promise but struggling to step up.
The various QB reclamation projects around the league (Sam Darnold, Jarod Goff, Geno Smith (although that was injury enforced)) kind of shows that the whole 'dragged down by surroundings' narrative is really a bit rubbish. Good quality qbs will play well regardless of whose around them and their flaws aren't magically fixed by having a better supporting cast. Stafford is a good example too - his talent was obvious at the Lions and now he's at the Rams he's shining. (Although the last few weeks have been rough).
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if you are a 1st year QB going high in the draft, going to the Pats is the fucking business
All those others are at dumpster fires with no protection and no one to throw to. And shit defenses.
Jones is at the Pats under arguably the greatest coach of all time
@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
if you are a 1st year QB going high in the draft, going to the Pats is the fucking business
All those others are at dumpster fires with no protection and no one to throw to. And shit defenses.
Jones is at the Pats under arguably the greatest coach of all time
SF basically a run first offense with Jimmy G, Trey needs passing weapons to throw upfield to as well. I'm comfy with him sitting for a year, taking time to learn the systems
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@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
if you are a 1st year QB going high in the draft, going to the Pats is the fucking business
All those others are at dumpster fires with no protection and no one to throw to. And shit defenses.
Jones is at the Pats under arguably the greatest coach of all time
SF basically a run first offense with Jimmy G, Trey needs passing weapons to throw upfield to as well. I'm comfy with him sitting for a year, taking time to learn the systems
@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
if you are a 1st year QB going high in the draft, going to the Pats is the fucking business
All those others are at dumpster fires with no protection and no one to throw to. And shit defenses.
Jones is at the Pats under arguably the greatest coach of all time
SF basically a run first offense with Jimmy G, Trey needs passing weapons to throw upfield to as well. I'm comfy with him sitting for a year, taking time to learn the systems
Yeah he's also a massive project (Lance) - so not going to know whether it's a strikeout or home run for another year or two.
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Bills got smacked
GB lost
Titans lostThis season is drunk
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and look who is suddenly top of their division? The Chiefs are not the team of the past 2 years, but sleep on them at your peril.
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Daniel Jones just keeps looking up to see Red jerseys pouring through at him, and no one open to throw to
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This season really shows how parity rules in the NFL this season especially.
The best record in the NFL is with a team currently with a journeyman backup.
It will be interesting this season with only one team getting a playoff bye per conference whether that bye is of significance. Based on the season so far it feels like there could be some wildcard teams making some noise as not much seems to be separating the teams.
As boring as it sounds at this stage you'd have to back the teams that have QBs that have been there and done that in the playoffs (Brady, Mahomes).
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This season really shows how parity rules in the NFL this season especially.
The best record in the NFL is with a team currently with a journeyman backup.
It will be interesting this season with only one team getting a playoff bye per conference whether that bye is of significance. Based on the season so far it feels like there could be some wildcard teams making some noise as not much seems to be separating the teams.
As boring as it sounds at this stage you'd have to back the teams that have QBs that have been there and done that in the playoffs (Brady, Mahomes).
@kiwimurph i won't back against Brady until an hour after the final whistle
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This season really shows how parity rules in the NFL this season especially.
The best record in the NFL is with a team currently with a journeyman backup.
It will be interesting this season with only one team getting a playoff bye per conference whether that bye is of significance. Based on the season so far it feels like there could be some wildcard teams making some noise as not much seems to be separating the teams.
As boring as it sounds at this stage you'd have to back the teams that have QBs that have been there and done that in the playoffs (Brady, Mahomes).
@kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:
This season really shows how parity rules in the NFL this season especially.
The best record in the NFL is with a team currently with a journeyman backup.
The Titans have 8 wins in their last 10. The two losses are to the Texans and the Jets.
This season is just all over the place for everyone.
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Colts v Bucs was a bloody good game. Tied up with 2.5 minutes to go you just knew Brady was going to set the win up perfectly. And then the Colts go within a whisker of running back the kick-off.
Broncos put a dent in the post-season hopes of the Chargers
Green Bay show they might just be the top dog in the NFC
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Vikings - 49ers was very good. It had everything - TDs, intercepts, fumble recoveries, injuries, kickoff return for a TD. Two very even teams but a huge win for the 49ers as they now hold both a one game lead on the Vikings plus the tiebreaker (now that they beat them). More good news for the 49ers that Panthers, Eales and Rams all lost.
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Browns are in a tough spot.
Baker Mayfield their QB is coming to the end of his 4th year of his 5 year rookie contract. Typically this coming offseason is when contract extensions would be done.
If they give him a new contract it's going to take up a huge portion of their salary cap.
He's not a bad player and he is the best QB they have had in 30 years but he's also not worth a huge deal - he is surrounded by a very talented team and there's not really one thing he does at an elite level - he doesn't have an elite arm, he's not big, he's not fast, he's not so accurate that you would call it elite. Through 10 games he's thrown 10 TDs this season.
The moneyball approach would be to not pay him and spend that salary cap elsewhere.
They can keep him one more year but if they don't sign him this offseason it feels like a lame duck year or you get into a Kirk Cousins / Washington situation (franchise tag/expensive year by year deals).
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Browns are in a tough spot.
Baker Mayfield their QB is coming to the end of his 4th year of his 5 year rookie contract. Typically this coming offseason is when contract extensions would be done.
If they give him a new contract it's going to take up a huge portion of their salary cap.
He's not a bad player and he is the best QB they have had in 30 years but he's also not worth a huge deal - he is surrounded by a very talented team and there's not really one thing he does at an elite level - he doesn't have an elite arm, he's not big, he's not fast, he's not so accurate that you would call it elite. Through 10 games he's thrown 10 TDs this season.
The moneyball approach would be to not pay him and spend that salary cap elsewhere.
They can keep him one more year but if they don't sign him this offseason it feels like a lame duck year or you get into a Kirk Cousins / Washington situation (franchise tag/expensive year by year deals).
@kiwimurph if they pay him big they are doomed.
Tough spot is there isn't anything in the draft apparently. Should be a few free agents around?
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@kiwimurph if they pay him big they are doomed.
Tough spot is there isn't anything in the draft apparently. Should be a few free agents around?
@mariner4life Yes I would think your Broncos would be a great example of how a relatively chief free agent QB can be great value.
There should be a few veteran QBs around (Jimmy G etc).
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If the season finished today, here's the first 10 picks:
- Lions
- Texans
- Jaguars
- Jets (via Seahawks)
- Jets
- Giants
- Giants (via Bears)
- Eagles
- Eagles (via Dolphins)
- Panthers
I'm sure the Seahawks never dreamed that the price for Jamal Adams would include a top 5 pick, earlier than the Jets. The Seahawks have a crazy soft schedule from here so they probably won't finish below the Jets though they are looking very rough.
Highly touted QBs in the draft so any one of the three teams with double picks (and Eagles are looking likely to get the third with Wentz playing so many snaps for the Colts) could look to grab a veteran QB. None of them will be desperate though unless their current starters really go off the rails, but if Wilson or Rodgers is available...
