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  • gt12G gt12

    @duluth said in Blues 2022:

    @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

    @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

    Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

    So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

    I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

    He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

    Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

    Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

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    @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

    @duluth said in Blues 2022:

    @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

    @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

    Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

    So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

    I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

    He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

    Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

    Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

    That bit I like.

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    • CrucialC Crucial

      @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

      @duluth said in Blues 2022:

      @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

      @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

      Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

      So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

      I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

      He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

      Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

      Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

      That bit I like.

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      @crucial said in Blues 2022:

      @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

      @duluth said in Blues 2022:

      @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

      @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

      Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

      So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

      I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

      He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

      Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

      Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

      That bit I like.

      This year's best ab lock?

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        If you see josh goodhue and tom robinson together, tom is the clearly bigger man.

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        • CrucialC Crucial

          @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

          @duluth said in Blues 2022:

          @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

          @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

          Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

          So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

          I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

          He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

          Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

          Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

          That bit I like.

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          @crucial said in Blues 2022:

          @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

          @duluth said in Blues 2022:

          @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

          @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

          Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

          So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

          I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

          He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

          Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

          Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

          That bit I like.

          You think SB needs a replacement in the ABs? If so, because of penalties or something?

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          • gt12G gt12

            @duluth said in Blues 2022:

            @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

            @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

            Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

            So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

            I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

            He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

            Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

            Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

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            @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

            @duluth said in Blues 2022:

            @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

            @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

            Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

            So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

            I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

            He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

            Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

            Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

            Tom N. Robinson 1.98m 110 kg
            Oghenemaro Miles "Maro" Itoje (thank good for c&p) 1.97m 115kg
            ...so especially with some extra Waiuku whitebait, yes.

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            • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

              @crucial said in Blues 2022:

              @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

              @duluth said in Blues 2022:

              @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

              @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

              Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

              So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

              I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

              He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

              Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

              Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

              That bit I like.

              You think SB needs a replacement in the ABs? If so, because of penalties or something?

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              @nostrildamus said in Blues 2022:

              @crucial said in Blues 2022:

              @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

              @duluth said in Blues 2022:

              @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

              @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

              Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

              So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

              I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

              He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

              Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

              Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

              That bit I like.

              You think SB needs a replacement in the ABs? If so, because of penalties or something?

              I'd like to think we could do better basically .
              He's a lock built like a six. Not great at either.
              Good for the bench.
              But, let's say we could swap him for someone that was a very good 6 that could play lock just as well as him? I'd go for that.

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              • CrucialC Crucial

                @nostrildamus said in Blues 2022:

                @crucial said in Blues 2022:

                @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                @duluth said in Blues 2022:

                @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

                Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

                So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

                I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

                He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

                Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

                Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

                That bit I like.

                You think SB needs a replacement in the ABs? If so, because of penalties or something?

                I'd like to think we could do better basically .
                He's a lock built like a six. Not great at either.
                Good for the bench.
                But, let's say we could swap him for someone that was a very good 6 that could play lock just as well as him? I'd go for that.

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                @crucial said in Blues 2022:

                @nostrildamus said in Blues 2022:

                @crucial said in Blues 2022:

                @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                @duluth said in Blues 2022:

                @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

                Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

                So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

                I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

                He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

                Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

                Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

                That bit I like.

                You think SB needs a replacement in the ABs? If so, because of penalties or something?

                I'd like to think we could do better basically .
                He's a lock built like a six. Not great at either.
                Good for the bench.
                But, let's say we could swap him for someone that was a very good 6 that could play lock just as well as him? I'd go for that.

                I'm not sure if Foster sees Shannon in that light (and not sure many on here see him as a great lock) but that might be Robinson...

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                • gt12G gt12

                  @duluth said in Blues 2022:

                  @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                  @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

                  Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

                  So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

                  I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

                  He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

                  Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

                  Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

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                  @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                  @duluth said in Blues 2022:

                  @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                  @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

                  Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

                  So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

                  I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

                  He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

                  Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

                  Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

                  There is a big difference between being the size of a lock and actually playing lock TBH. Robinson may have the size but the temperament and comfort to play lock? I remember when they chucked Jerome Kaino in at lock against the Irish, didn't go well.

                  No I think keep him at Blindside, he'll have to rotate with Akira and/or come off bench. For Akira's long-term development at 6 he needs to play there regularly IMO. He faded away towards the end of the tour but again so did a few of them, you can't expect them to tour for almost 3 months and not get faded and fatigued.

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                  • DuluthD Duluth

                    Locks: James Tucker, Josh Goodhue, Sam Darry, Luke Romano

                    Lock/Loosie: Cameron Suafoa, Tom Robinson, Taine Plumtree


                    The hardest position to predict. Assuming everyone is fit, who should be the starting locks?

                    I assume Goodhue is almost certain to start. I'm hoping Romano is more there for injury cover/knowledge transfer

                    Goodhue/Tucker? An all Northland pair of Goodhue/Robinson might be worth a look?

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                    @duluth said in Blues 2022:

                    Locks: James Tucker, Josh Goodhue, Sam Darry, Luke Romano

                    Lock/Loosie: Cameron Suafoa, Tom Robinson, Taine Plumtree


                    The hardest position to predict. Assuming everyone is fit, who should be the starting locks?

                    I assume Goodhue is almost certain to start. I'm hoping Romano is more there for injury cover/knowledge transfer

                    Goodhue/Tucker? An all Northland pair of Goodhue/Robinson might be worth a look?

                    Romano/Goodhue/Darry would be the 3 game day locks IMO. Start with Romano to give some stability to the set piece. He's almost a straight out swap for Patty.

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                    • TheMojomanT TheMojoman

                      @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                      @duluth said in Blues 2022:

                      @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                      @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

                      Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

                      So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

                      I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

                      He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

                      Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

                      Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

                      There is a big difference between being the size of a lock and actually playing lock TBH. Robinson may have the size but the temperament and comfort to play lock? I remember when they chucked Jerome Kaino in at lock against the Irish, didn't go well.

                      No I think keep him at Blindside, he'll have to rotate with Akira and/or come off bench. For Akira's long-term development at 6 he needs to play there regularly IMO. He faded away towards the end of the tour but again so did a few of them, you can't expect them to tour for almost 3 months and not get faded and fatigued.

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                      @themojoman said in Blues 2022:

                      @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                      @duluth said in Blues 2022:

                      @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                      @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

                      Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

                      So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

                      I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

                      He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

                      Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

                      Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

                      There is a big difference between being the size of a lock and actually playing lock TBH. Robinson may have the size but the temperament and comfort to play lock? I remember when they chucked Jerome Kaino in at lock against the Irish, didn't go well.

                      No I think keep him at Blindside, he'll have to rotate with Akira and/or come off bench. For Akira's long-term development at 6 he needs to play there regularly IMO. He faded away towards the end of the tour but again so did a few of them, you can't expect them to tour for almost 3 months and not get faded and fatigued.

                      I think that's fair, but I'd put it to the player as a question: Would you try to take on playing in this position as well if it would increase your chances of a Black jersey?

                      I don't know whether he would be successful or not, but he is much more of a lock than Kaino (I don't think he ever played there except for that atrocity) and we would be able to see whether he can develop there or is just a six.

                      My rationale is funnily enough also similar yours in that Akira (and perhaps Paps) need as much time at 6 as possible, so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

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                      • gt12G gt12

                        @themojoman said in Blues 2022:

                        @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                        @duluth said in Blues 2022:

                        @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                        @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

                        Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

                        So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

                        I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

                        He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

                        Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

                        Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

                        There is a big difference between being the size of a lock and actually playing lock TBH. Robinson may have the size but the temperament and comfort to play lock? I remember when they chucked Jerome Kaino in at lock against the Irish, didn't go well.

                        No I think keep him at Blindside, he'll have to rotate with Akira and/or come off bench. For Akira's long-term development at 6 he needs to play there regularly IMO. He faded away towards the end of the tour but again so did a few of them, you can't expect them to tour for almost 3 months and not get faded and fatigued.

                        I think that's fair, but I'd put it to the player as a question: Would you try to take on playing in this position as well if it would increase your chances of a Black jersey?

                        I don't know whether he would be successful or not, but he is much more of a lock than Kaino (I don't think he ever played there except for that atrocity) and we would be able to see whether he can develop there or is just a six.

                        My rationale is funnily enough also similar yours in that Akira (and perhaps Paps) need as much time at 6 as possible, so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

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                        @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                        so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

                        Tom? Given he was captain in Patty's absence this year, you'd think high chance he is captain next year, meaning he will start more games than not, and with the Blues roster, I expect he will get time at lock.

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                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                          @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                          so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

                          Tom? Given he was captain in Patty's absence this year, you'd think high chance he is captain next year, meaning he will start more games than not, and with the Blues roster, I expect he will get time at lock.

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                          @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                          @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                          so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

                          Tom? Given he was captain in Patty's absence this year, you'd think high chance he is captain next year, meaning he will start more games than not, and with the Blues roster, I expect he will get time at lock.

                          I'd have him as my captain too btw, I was going to write that, but then how do you play your three ABs? He has to be at least trialled at lock to see if it works.

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                            id like to see him get game time 6 i see robinson as a point of difference with the rest of the loose fowards in the abs . hard for him to get lots but would be good

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                            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                              @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                              so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

                              Tom? Given he was captain in Patty's absence this year, you'd think high chance he is captain next year, meaning he will start more games than not, and with the Blues roster, I expect he will get time at lock.

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                              @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                              @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                              so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

                              Tom? Given he was captain in Patty's absence this year, you'd think high chance he is captain next year, meaning he will start more games than not, and with the Blues roster, I expect he will get time at lock.

                              I'm a big Pat T fan for the Blues, but Tom R spoke more tothe ref in the first half captaining than Pat did in a season. It was an area he just never developed unfortunately.

                              Maybe we'll channel our inner Chief and appoint co-captains? Tom and Beaudy?

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                              • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                                so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

                                Tom? Given he was captain in Patty's absence this year, you'd think high chance he is captain next year, meaning he will start more games than not, and with the Blues roster, I expect he will get time at lock.

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                                @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                                @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                                so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

                                Tom? Given he was captain in Patty's absence this year, you'd think high chance he is captain next year, meaning he will start more games than not, and with the Blues roster, I expect he will get time at lock.

                                MacDonald referred to him as the 'pre-season captain' who will drive standards while the AB's are away. He's clearly the favourite to be captain.

                                He's more likely to be captain if he spends time at lock too because surely they'll want to use all the loose forward resources.

                                If not, another option is Papali'i

                                VC I think will be R Ioane. In the leadership group, co-captained a game last year etc

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                                  I had forgotten about the SR game Robinson had at lock so I looked it up

                                  It was the first game of 2020 against the Chiefs. There were no injury reasons for the move - he started with Tuipulotu and Goodhue was on the bench.

                                  I skimmed through the match thread and every comment about his game at lock was positive. People noted how the scrum was strong too

                                  Weird that it never happened again

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                                    The return of Kid game curtain-raisers -
                                    'WAHU will be the brand behind our young kids who will play curtain-raisers ahead of the Blues games'
                                    https://www.blues.rugby/blues-rugby-news/the-blues-team-up-with-wahu

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                                      @themojoman said in Blues 2022:

                                      @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                                      @duluth said in Blues 2022:

                                      @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                                      @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

                                      Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

                                      So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

                                      I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

                                      He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

                                      Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

                                      Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

                                      There is a big difference between being the size of a lock and actually playing lock TBH. Robinson may have the size but the temperament and comfort to play lock? I remember when they chucked Jerome Kaino in at lock against the Irish, didn't go well.

                                      No I think keep him at Blindside, he'll have to rotate with Akira and/or come off bench. For Akira's long-term development at 6 he needs to play there regularly IMO. He faded away towards the end of the tour but again so did a few of them, you can't expect them to tour for almost 3 months and not get faded and fatigued.

                                      I think that's fair, but I'd put it to the player as a question: Would you try to take on playing in this position as well if it would increase your chances of a Black jersey?

                                      I don't know whether he would be successful or not, but he is much more of a lock than Kaino (I don't think he ever played there except for that atrocity) and we would be able to see whether he can develop there or is just a six.

                                      My rationale is funnily enough also similar yours in that Akira (and perhaps Paps) need as much time at 6 as possible, so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

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                                      @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                                      @themojoman said in Blues 2022:

                                      @gt12 said in Blues 2022:

                                      @duluth said in Blues 2022:

                                      @taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:

                                      @duluth I'm guessing, but I reckon they may have only locked together in one or 2 games back in 2019, games when both have been available usually had Tom at 6.

                                      Only 5 NPC starts at lock for Robinson. He has 1 start at SR level too

                                      So yes, there's not much evidence that it would work.

                                      I hope they experiment with it though. The question is how the scrum goes. It would allow the four AB standard loosies to start, plus would make room for a guy like Plumtree to make the bench

                                      He's pretty similar to Itoje in terms of size, isn't he?

                                      Maybe he's need to add a bit of bulk, he might be 5 kgs light.

                                      Anyway, I think the Blues have missed a trick by now trying it before, and if it came off it could be huge for the ABs, as he would be the obvious Scott Barrett replacement.

                                      There is a big difference between being the size of a lock and actually playing lock TBH. Robinson may have the size but the temperament and comfort to play lock? I remember when they chucked Jerome Kaino in at lock against the Irish, didn't go well.

                                      No I think keep him at Blindside, he'll have to rotate with Akira and/or come off bench. For Akira's long-term development at 6 he needs to play there regularly IMO. He faded away towards the end of the tour but again so did a few of them, you can't expect them to tour for almost 3 months and not get faded and fatigued.

                                      I think that's fair, but I'd put it to the player as a question: Would you try to take on playing in this position as well if it would increase your chances of a Black jersey?

                                      I don't know whether he would be successful or not, but he is much more of a lock than Kaino (I don't think he ever played there except for that atrocity) and we would be able to see whether he can develop there or is just a six.

                                      My rationale is funnily enough also similar yours in that Akira (and perhaps Paps) need as much time at 6 as possible, so I don't see him busting into the starting team.

                                      I mean Robinson has the tools - height/lineout capability, big motor/workrate, defensive game. He probably is the best of the flanker/lock combo's we've had in a while too. I haven't seen a flanker make a successful transition to lock yet. Jimmy Tupou was OK. Brad Thorn wasn't a natural flanker or 8 anyway. Luatua never really played lock at top level. Fifita was serviceable at Super Level but again, not a top level lock.

                                      Maybe Robinson can make the transition?

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                                        I am super keen to see RTS at 12 next year. Outside Barrett partnering Reiko Ioane.

                                        I know the reports are positive and MacDonald is really talking him up. Proof will be in the pudding. I remember when Benji tried to transition..

                                        Important thing for me is he has the physical tools to play direct and use his step. His league background should help him with post contact meters.

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                                        • TheMojomanT TheMojoman

                                          I am super keen to see RTS at 12 next year. Outside Barrett partnering Reiko Ioane.

                                          I know the reports are positive and MacDonald is really talking him up. Proof will be in the pudding. I remember when Benji tried to transition..

                                          Important thing for me is he has the physical tools to play direct and use his step. His league background should help him with post contact meters.

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                                          @themojoman said in Blues 2022:

                                          I know the reports are positive and MacDonald is really talking him up. Proof will be in the pudding. I remember when Benji tried to transition..

                                          Benji tried to move to 10, which is much harder, without a history there.

                                          RTS to 12 is probably easier, with mroe traffic there and easier decision making. More suited to 12, kinda like SBW.

                                          Fingers crossed though eh!

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