NZ tour of India
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It was nice that Somerville and Ravindra got over the fact they were totally innocuous with the ball and provided us with some hugely valuable time at the crease instead.
That looks sarcastic when written down but I actually mean it. I’m thrilled that they played a part in us avoiding defeat like they did.
Not a test that Taylor or Nicholls will remember fondly, one or both need to seriously pull finger next time round. KW will be frustrated with his efforts too, some ammo for the bobs and vagene crowd who point out his record in India isn’t flash.
Roll on the next test, Wags in for……….one of the spinners, dunno who. If Jamieson and Southee fire again then Wags can surely only add to the perils for India.
The guts to see off a bowling unit of that calibre was most impressive. Excellent gutsy work there fellas.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Roll on the next test, Wags in for……….one of the spinners, dunno who. If Jamieson and Southee fire again then Wags can surely only add to the perils for India.
Patel was the most used of the spinners wasn't he? Also the only one to get wickets and the most expensive.
However going back to relying on our quicks to take wickets we could well afford Sommerville and Ravindra to pad out overs, provide options and backstop the batting. -
@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Roll on the next test, Wags in for……….one of the spinners, dunno who. If Jamieson and Southee fire again then Wags can surely only add to the perils for India.
Patel was the most used of the spinners wasn't he? Also the only one to get wickets and the most expensive.
However going back to relying on our quicks to take wickets we could well afford Sommerville and Ravindra to pad out overs, provide options and backstop the batting.Wags can do that, he’s a stubborn prick with the bat although those two appear to have more credentials than he does. Like I said I was impressed they pulled finger but neither of them getting a single wicket is a bit alarming when he’s waiting in the wings.
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@canes4life said in NZ tour of India:
@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
That's the best 18* that Ravindra may ever score...
If he has got mettle like that he may well make many more runs for NZ.
We wasn't named in part for Rahul Dravid for nothing.
Rachin is a product of my old school and was seen as a bit of a prodigy when he was dominating at that level a few years ago.
It's awesome to see him come through the levels and survive that barrage last night in his first test. The kid is probably more suited to the top order but he will relish any opportunity at this point. He could become a real gold nugget for us if his bowling can match his batting.
Get him in the side if he is good enough. Later he can start in middle order in place of Nicholls or Ross. Gives him time to grow before longterm move to 3 or 4. If he is good enough of course
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@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
@canes4life said in NZ tour of India:
@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
That's the best 18* that Ravindra may ever score...
If he has got mettle like that he may well make many more runs for NZ.
We wasn't named in part for Rahul Dravid for nothing.
Rachin is a product of my old school and was seen as a bit of a prodigy when he was dominating at that level a few years ago.
It's awesome to see him come through the levels and survive that barrage last night in his first test. The kid is probably more suited to the top order but he will relish any opportunity at this point. He could become a real gold nugget for us if his bowling can match his batting.
Get him in the side if he is good enough. Later he can start in middle order in place of Nicholls or Ross. Gives him time to grow before longterm move to 3 or 4. If he is good enough of course
A first class batting average of 38 is pretty promising with room for improvement…….but fuck me, a bowling average of 58 ?!?!?! I’m surprised the cricket stats nerd in me missed that until now.
Let’s hope he does a Steve Smith and starts at the bottom before moving up the order and dominating
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@bovidae said in NZ tour of India:
If you want balance in the bowling attack then Patel is the spinner who should miss out to Wags. Ravindra can provide the left-arm spin option.
That’s what I meant too. I wasn’t suggesting that Wags was left out. Rather that Patel gave his spot to Wags which strengthens the batting depth should we find ourselves batting last on a minefield again.
Wags should easily take the wickets that Patel did and I like the idea of batsmen having to adjust between overs from spin to barrage more than we could do in this last test. -
@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@bovidae said in NZ tour of India:
If you want balance in the bowling attack then Patel is the spinner who should miss out to Wags. Ravindra can provide the left-arm spin option.
That’s what I meant too. I wasn’t suggesting that Wags was left out. Rather that Patel gave his spot to Wags which strengthens the batting depth should we find ourselves batting last on a minefield again.
Wags should easily take the wickets that Patel did and I like the idea of batsmen having to adjust between overs from spin to barrage more than we could do in this last test.Hmmmm, by this thinking does Johns son get a look in though ? Got the runs on the board at test level…..but not a spinner…..
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@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@bovidae said in NZ tour of India:
If you want balance in the bowling attack then Patel is the spinner who should miss out to Wags. Ravindra can provide the left-arm spin option.
That’s what I meant too. I wasn’t suggesting that Wags was left out. Rather that Patel gave his spot to Wags which strengthens the batting depth should we find ourselves batting last on a minefield again.
Wags should easily take the wickets that Patel did and I like the idea of batsmen having to adjust between overs from spin to barrage more than we could do in this last test.The Indians are scared of the angry man. Good to keep them on edge, and his bowling is more nuanced these days than simply battering them
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Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers. -
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
A first class batting average of 38 is pretty promising with room for improvement…….but fuck me, a bowling average of 58 ?!?!?! I’m surprised the cricket stats nerd in me missed that until now.
Still only 22, and learning on seam friendly NZ wickets. He'll be a handy 'NZ spinning option' at the least. There was an article a few days ago (that annoyingly I can't find for now...) basically saying Ravindra's arrival is probably the end of Santner's test career. Similar test bowling outcomes, stronger batting...
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@canes4life said in NZ tour of India:
@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
That's the best 18* that Ravindra may ever score...
If he has got mettle like that he may well make many more runs for NZ.
We wasn't named in part for Rahul Dravid for nothing.
Rachin is a product of my old school and was seen as a bit of a prodigy when he was dominating at that level a few years ago.
It's awesome to see him come through the levels and survive that barrage last night in his first test. The kid is probably more suited to the top order but he will relish any opportunity at this point. He could become a real gold nugget for us if his bowling can match his batting.
He was seen as more than just a bit of a prodigy.
In my time only Williamson and C Cairns have had more expectations of a youth cricketer to crack the big time.
In some ways it's a little surprising that it has taken him to age 22, and that it is his secondary skill the has got him in the the 11. Especially that he plays in our traditionally weakest position - opener. But he's had a pretty solid apprenticeship from 20 to 22 involving NZ 'A' cricket. So, not been a waste. Good that we are strong enough not to have to throw 19 year olds in the deep end anymore.
Anyway, good debut. Coming in at 7 and having to dead bat spinners on a low deck is not what he has had to build his provincial career on so far.
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nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
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@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
the edge through the slips, and Saha bursting through the hands (twice I think) around 50/5 were massive. We chase 150, we win that game.
To bat out 4 sessions thouhg, on an Indian pitch is a massive achievement.
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@nzzp said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
the edge through the slips, and Saha bursting through the hands (twice I think) around 50/5 were massive. We chase 150, we win that game.
To bat out THE LAST 4 sessions though, on an Indian pitch is a massive achievement.
That's the thing. The last 4 sessions!!!
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@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
Gave it up or they fought back? At no stage in our second innings was a win on the cards. Pitch had no runs in it (at least no quick runs).
When we had them at 5 for fuck-all in their second we did try to force the advantage but they were better. -
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers.Exactly this. The key to NZ survival was that the pitch had no demons, it was low and slow so survival was more about concentration and shot discipline than anything else (unless you got one that didn't bounce at all). Didn't make it to the end as I was nodding off on the couch old man style so was pleasantly surprised to see that they held out. Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
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@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
@canes4life said in NZ tour of India:
@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
That's the best 18* that Ravindra may ever score...
If he has got mettle like that he may well make many more runs for NZ.
We wasn't named in part for Rahul Dravid for nothing.
Rachin is a product of my old school and was seen as a bit of a prodigy when he was dominating at that level a few years ago.
It's awesome to see him come through the levels and survive that barrage last night in his first test. The kid is probably more suited to the top order but he will relish any opportunity at this point. He could become a real gold nugget for us if his bowling can match his batting.
He was seen as more than just a bit of a prodigy.
In my time only Williamson and C Cairns have had more expectations of a youth cricketer to crack the big time.
In some ways it's a little surprising that it has taken him to age 22, and that it is his secondary skill the has got him in the the 11. Especially that he plays in our traditionally weakest position - opener. But he's had a pretty solid apprenticeship from 20 to 22 involving NZ 'A' cricket. So, not been a waste. Good that we are strong enough not to have to throw 19 year olds in the deep end anymore.
Anyway, good debut. Coming in at 7 and having to dead bat spinners on a low deck is not what he has had to build his provincial career on so far.
He could have come in and flashed the bat. But he ground it out in a massive pressure situation, and that deserves huge praise
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@kiwipie said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers.Exactly this. The key to NZ survival was that the pitch had no demons, it was low and slow so survival was more about concentration and shot discipline than anything else (unless you got one that didn't bounce at all). Didn't make it to the end as I was nodding off on the couch old man style so was pleasantly surprised to see that they held out. Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
Nicholls is a weird one. I've never seen a player before miss straight ones by so much and get bowled or LBW. But, this is the tricky thing, it isn't really any indicator of his form. I've seen him get a century and then follow it up by missing a ball by almost the width of a football field ...
