Super Rugby 2022
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@kiwiwomble plenty of very good players have been missed by the Blues and thats with only one team in Auckland .
I could write a list on the number of players that have been overlooked by the Blues over the years only to end up becoming rockstars with other NZ teams .all of a sudden they start worrying about another super franchise on their door step..
Deary me …still plenty of talent to go around but thats if you have the eye to select it and thats been a major problem@steven-harris Yep, and it's not like all those MP players come from the Blues catchment, either. I know at least 8, who don't ...
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no fucking shit sherlock....basing another team in between the too most closely located existing teams could cause issues?
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
no fucking shit sherlock....basing another team in between the too most closely located existing teams could cause issues?
I think MP decreases the player depth of all NZ franchises. That's not something just for the Blues to worry and complain about. If I were the Blues management, I'd be more concerned about the fact that they now have to share potential spectators with MP if both franchises have a home game in the same weekend. The majority of people already struggle to pay for tickets to one game, let alone, two games a weekend. The Blues will lose part of their Pasifika supporters; the question is how many ...
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no fucking shit sherlock....basing another team in between the too most closely located existing teams could cause issues?
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
no fucking shit sherlock....basing another team in between the too most closely located existing teams could cause issues?
Half the population of Auckland alone is still more than any other (edit NZ) franchises fan/player base.
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Obviously that’s all true, I was really just saying this is kind of bleeding obvious
if the blues have struggled to identify talent previously, and of course I know this as the landers have benefited more than once from it, but you put another option on the doorstep of these players that have maybe wanted to stay around Auckland due to family say….
It’s more just funny that the article makes it seem like the blues have just realised this is the situation
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I can't be the only one who finds it extremely dumb that the draw is only 2 extra rounds from being a complete round-robin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2022_Super_Rugby_Pacific_matches#Round_1
They've stated it'll be 14 matches for each team, which means everyone plays everyone twice (except 2 random teams) home/away.
Instead, if all teams played 16 matches (as was the case pre-Covid..) then everyone could play everyone twice as it should've been?
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I can't be the only one who finds it extremely dumb that the draw is only 2 extra rounds from being a complete round-robin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2022_Super_Rugby_Pacific_matches#Round_1
They've stated it'll be 14 matches for each team, which means everyone plays everyone twice (except 2 random teams) home/away.
Instead, if all teams played 16 matches (as was the case pre-Covid..) then everyone could play everyone twice as it should've been?
@kiwi_expat i would rather see a full round robin and loose a couple of AB's games, super rugby gets more credibility and AB's overload eases off,
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I can't be the only one who finds it extremely dumb that the draw is only 2 extra rounds from being a complete round-robin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2022_Super_Rugby_Pacific_matches#Round_1
They've stated it'll be 14 matches for each team, which means everyone plays everyone twice (except 2 random teams) home/away.
Instead, if all teams played 16 matches (as was the case pre-Covid..) then everyone could play everyone twice as it should've been?
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
I can't be the only one who finds it extremely dumb that the draw is only 2 extra rounds from being a complete round-robin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2022_Super_Rugby_Pacific_matches#Round_1
They've stated it'll be 14 matches for each team, which means everyone plays everyone twice (except 2 random teams) home/away.
Instead, if all teams played 16 matches (as was the case pre-Covid..) then everyone could play everyone twice as it should've been?
Sorry a full play each other twice is 22 weeks. Everyone plays everyone once apart from 3 teams you play twice
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
I can't be the only one who finds it extremely dumb that the draw is only 2 extra rounds from being a complete round-robin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2022_Super_Rugby_Pacific_matches#Round_1
They've stated it'll be 14 matches for each team, which means everyone plays everyone twice (except 2 random teams) home/away.
Instead, if all teams played 16 matches (as was the case pre-Covid..) then everyone could play everyone twice as it should've been?
Sorry a full play each other twice is 22 weeks. Everyone plays everyone once apart from 3 teams you play twice
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I suspect the NZPA pushed for a reduced number of NZ derbies (hence the half-baked draw). It doesn't make sense to me.
Why are we pushing for less games? The French players who recently walloped us... endure 30+ club matches every season.
We have European Champions Cup happening right now, in addition to the 23 round English Premiership & 19 round URC.
Having less rounds of Super Rugby in a dramatically reduced season (in 2020) didn't provide an advantage to NZ's players when the internationals came around - ironically some players appeared underdone & rusty from too little franchise rugby in 2020.
It didn't give us an advantage in 2021 either. Also, remember that prior to Covid - our players regularly traversed continents (for both Super Rugby & RC fixtures) 11+ hour flights and Super Rugby went for 18 rounds, followed by a complete knockout format...
Foster's constantly cited "player fatigue" excuses during his tenure seems like a particularly bizarre cop-out considering that (since his appointment) our players due to Covid... have been playing less Super Rugby matches and are no longer travelling between continents - to South Africa & Argentina - no longer crossing multiple time-zone's regularly... with those franchises, nor with the All Blacks during the Rugby Championship...
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I suspect the NZPA pushed for a reduced number of NZ derbies (hence the half-baked draw). It doesn't make sense to me.
Why are we pushing for less games? The French players who recently walloped us... endure 30+ club matches every season.
We have European Champions Cup happening right now, in addition to the 23 round English Premiership & 19 round URC.
Having less rounds of Super Rugby in a dramatically reduced season (in 2020) didn't provide an advantage to NZ's players when the internationals came around - ironically some players appeared underdone & rusty from too little franchise rugby in 2020.
It didn't give us an advantage in 2021 either. Also, remember that prior to Covid - our players regularly traversed continents (for both Super Rugby & RC fixtures) 11+ hour flights and Super Rugby went for 18 rounds, followed by a complete knockout format...
Foster's constantly cited "player fatigue" excuses during his tenure seems like a particularly bizarre cop-out considering that (since his appointment) our players due to Covid... have been playing less Super Rugby matches and are no longer travelling between continents - to South Africa & Argentina - no longer crossing multiple time-zone's regularly... with those franchises, nor with the All Blacks during the Rugby Championship...
@kiwi_expat French teams are only expected to win at home, they pretty much give up when away
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New Zealand Rugby were making no comment on latest border developments, saying Tuesday’s announcement had not changed the situation regarding Super Rugby Pacific.
Head of professional rugby Chris Lendrum has already indicated that the competition was now likely to be front-loaded with “local” games in New Zealand and Australia, with cross-border clashes to follow as borders reopen. They have said they hope to have the new draw out before Christmas, and are still working to that timeline.
Given the volatility of the situation, and the New Zealand Government’s hesitancy in opening borders, even that might be an optimistic proposition.
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New Zealand Rugby were making no comment on latest border developments, saying Tuesday’s announcement had not changed the situation regarding Super Rugby Pacific.
Head of professional rugby Chris Lendrum has already indicated that the competition was now likely to be front-loaded with “local” games in New Zealand and Australia, with cross-border clashes to follow as borders reopen. They have said they hope to have the new draw out before Christmas, and are still working to that timeline.
Given the volatility of the situation, and the New Zealand Government’s hesitancy in opening borders, even that might be an optimistic proposition.
@tim I wonder if it's worth just moving the whole competition to NZ for the first half of the comp, and Aus for the second half? Or vice versa obviously.
It'd ensure everyone still gets their home and away games, and they should be able to find compromises between good times for TV and gate takings. The only real losses would be when local derbies are played on the wrong side of the ditch.
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The latest changes to the New Zealand border, announced by the Government yesterday, have forced New Zealand Rugby to completely remodel Super Rugby Pacific's draw. Liam Napier reports.
Super Rugby Pacific's inaugural season has been overhauled in the wake of ongoing Covid challenges and border changes, with local derbies in New Zealand and Australia set to feature through to April.
New Zealand Rugby had little choice but to completely remodel Super Rugby Pacific's draw by frontloading local derbies, with the five Australian teams and new entrants the Fijian Drua unable to enter the country without undergoing MIQ.
The only other alternative was to base all 12 teams in Australia but as cases of the Covid-19 Omicron variant soar in Sydney (over 3000 on Wednesday) in particular, that was an increasingly risky prospect for New Zealand players who would have little assurance about when they could return home.
The Herald understands the rejigged draw – set to be revealed in full on Thursday – will see Moana Pasifika host the Blues in the opening match at Mt Smart Stadium on Friday, February 18.
Moana Pasifika, in their debut season, were originally scheduled to play the Brumbies at Mt Smart, while the Blues were to host the Drua in their opening game at Eden Park.
A series of derbies against New Zealand teams promises to provide an immediately brutal examination for Moana Pasifika, who will have five weeks to prepare their inaugural squad.
The start of Super Rugby Pacific will effectively mirror this year's Aotearoa and Australian domestic competitions, with Moana Pasifika joining the five established New Zealand teams and the Drua linking with the Australian sides.
Local derbies will feature through to the weekend of April 22, at which point organisers remain hopeful the Covid landscape improves enough to allow transtasman travel.
New Zealand's border is slated to open to vaccinated non-Kiwis at the end of April, but as Omicron cases rise in Australia the goalposts on travel constantly shift.
The latest change arrived on Tuesday when the Government announced plans to allow fully vaccinated Kiwis and residents to enter the country from Australia, without requiring managed isolation, had been pushed back from mid-January until at least the end of February.
Despite the increasingly uncertain landscape, April 22-24 is scheduled to kickstart the transtasman component of the Super Rugby Pacific draw with the 'super round' where the 12 teams will play all matches in Melbourne over one weekend. That was originally supposed to be played in round two, at the end of February.
Five rounds of transtasman matches are scheduled to follow the weekend in Melbourne, culminating in quarter-finals, semifinals and the finale on June 18.
At this point, though, there are no guarantees Super Rugby Pacific's maiden season will contain any transtasman element - such is the havoc Covid continues to wreak on all sporting codes.
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The latest changes to the New Zealand border, announced by the Government yesterday, have forced New Zealand Rugby to completely remodel Super Rugby Pacific's draw. Liam Napier reports.
Super Rugby Pacific's inaugural season has been overhauled in the wake of ongoing Covid challenges and border changes, with local derbies in New Zealand and Australia set to feature through to April.
New Zealand Rugby had little choice but to completely remodel Super Rugby Pacific's draw by frontloading local derbies, with the five Australian teams and new entrants the Fijian Drua unable to enter the country without undergoing MIQ.
The only other alternative was to base all 12 teams in Australia but as cases of the Covid-19 Omicron variant soar in Sydney (over 3000 on Wednesday) in particular, that was an increasingly risky prospect for New Zealand players who would have little assurance about when they could return home.
The Herald understands the rejigged draw – set to be revealed in full on Thursday – will see Moana Pasifika host the Blues in the opening match at Mt Smart Stadium on Friday, February 18.
Moana Pasifika, in their debut season, were originally scheduled to play the Brumbies at Mt Smart, while the Blues were to host the Drua in their opening game at Eden Park.
A series of derbies against New Zealand teams promises to provide an immediately brutal examination for Moana Pasifika, who will have five weeks to prepare their inaugural squad.
The start of Super Rugby Pacific will effectively mirror this year's Aotearoa and Australian domestic competitions, with Moana Pasifika joining the five established New Zealand teams and the Drua linking with the Australian sides.
Local derbies will feature through to the weekend of April 22, at which point organisers remain hopeful the Covid landscape improves enough to allow transtasman travel.
New Zealand's border is slated to open to vaccinated non-Kiwis at the end of April, but as Omicron cases rise in Australia the goalposts on travel constantly shift.
The latest change arrived on Tuesday when the Government announced plans to allow fully vaccinated Kiwis and residents to enter the country from Australia, without requiring managed isolation, had been pushed back from mid-January until at least the end of February.
Despite the increasingly uncertain landscape, April 22-24 is scheduled to kickstart the transtasman component of the Super Rugby Pacific draw with the 'super round' where the 12 teams will play all matches in Melbourne over one weekend. That was originally supposed to be played in round two, at the end of February.
Five rounds of transtasman matches are scheduled to follow the weekend in Melbourne, culminating in quarter-finals, semifinals and the finale on June 18.
At this point, though, there are no guarantees Super Rugby Pacific's maiden season will contain any transtasman element - such is the havoc Covid continues to wreak on all sporting codes.
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call the whole thing off, what's the point?
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call the whole thing off, what's the point?
@mariner4life Easy on the black pills, doomer.
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call the whole thing off, what's the point?
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
The Aust teams might have more issues playing each other unless they all relocate to Qld.
Wouldn't it be better if we got a local region to host one of the Australian teams? They could do MIQ once, then have the whole competition in NZ.
Drua: Northland
Force: BOP
Melbourne: Hawkes Bay
Queensland: Ta$man
NSW: Taranaki
Brumbies: Southland
