Super Rugby 2022
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
The Aust teams might have more issues playing each other unless they all relocate to Qld.
You mean NSW and Victoria. The only two States open for business. Qld is going to shit its pants shortly.
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
The Aust teams might have more issues playing each other unless they all relocate to Qld.
You mean NSW and Victoria. The only two States open for business. Qld is going to shit its pants shortly.
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
The Aust teams might have more issues playing each other unless they all relocate to Qld.
You mean NSW and Victoria. The only two States open for business.
Except for sport.
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
The Aust teams might have more issues playing each other unless they all relocate to Qld.
You mean NSW and Victoria. The only two States open for business.
Except for sport.
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
The Aust teams might have more issues playing each other unless they all relocate to Qld.
You mean NSW and Victoria. The only two States open for business.
Except for sport.
And you think that would be different in Qld?
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
The Aust teams might have more issues playing each other unless they all relocate to Qld.
You mean NSW and Victoria. The only two States open for business.
Except for sport.
And you think that would be different in Qld?
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
And you think that would be different in Qld?
Based on Qld successfully holding sports fixtures this year, and the relative number of covid cases in each state, I would say yes.
Back to the SR competition, the Chiefs can only be playing the Hurricanes in the 1st round. The Crusaders are already playing the Highlanders, and the Blues will play MP instead of the Drua.
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Ignore what I said, as they changed the SRA draw completely.
The competition will kick off with Moana Pasifika hosting the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium and the NSW Waratahs hosting the Fijian Drua on Australian soil. While a Super Saturday start in New Zealand sees the Gallagher Chiefs hosting the Highlanders at 4.35pm in Hamilton and the Crusaders welcoming the Hurricanes to Christchurch at 7.05pm.
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Ignore what I said, as they changed the SRA draw completely.
The competition will kick off with Moana Pasifika hosting the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium and the NSW Waratahs hosting the Fijian Drua on Australian soil. While a Super Saturday start in New Zealand sees the Gallagher Chiefs hosting the Highlanders at 4.35pm in Hamilton and the Crusaders welcoming the Hurricanes to Christchurch at 7.05pm.
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Ignore what I said, as they changed the SRA draw completely.
The competition will kick off with Moana Pasifika hosting the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium and the NSW Waratahs hosting the Fijian Drua on Australian soil. While a Super Saturday start in New Zealand sees the Gallagher Chiefs hosting the Highlanders at 4.35pm in Hamilton and the Crusaders welcoming the Hurricanes to Christchurch at 7.05pm.
I hate this stupid compromise they'd made to reduce derby games. If they added just 2 more matches all NZ teams play each other twice (home & away).
Instead we have a truncated half-baked version to appease NZR, because apparently the NZ derbies are too physical, and Fozzie doesn't like a massive All Black's casualty ward.
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Using Crusaders for example, draw should look like this:
Rd 1: Crusaders vs Hurricanes.
Rd 2: Highlanders v Crusaders.
Rd 3: Moana Pasifika v Crusaders.
Rd 4: Crusaders v Chiefs.
Rd 5: Blues vs Crusaders.
Rd 6: Chiefs v Crusaders.
Rd 7: Crusaders v Highlanders.
Rd 8: Hurricanes v Crusaders.
Rd 9: Crusaders v Blues.
Rd 10: Crusaders vs Moana Pasifika.
Week off (all teams).
NZ vs Aussie teams.
(16 games overall, instead of 14)
Finals round.
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Ignore what I said, as they changed the SRA draw completely.
The competition will kick off with Moana Pasifika hosting the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium and the NSW Waratahs hosting the Fijian Drua on Australian soil. While a Super Saturday start in New Zealand sees the Gallagher Chiefs hosting the Highlanders at 4.35pm in Hamilton and the Crusaders welcoming the Hurricanes to Christchurch at 7.05pm.
I hate this stupid compromise they'd made to reduce derby games. If they added just 2 more matches all NZ teams play each other twice (home & away).
Instead we have a truncated half-baked version to appease NZR, because apparently the NZ derbies are too physical, and Fozzie doesn't like a massive All Black's casualty ward.
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Ignore what I said, as they changed the SRA draw completely.
The competition will kick off with Moana Pasifika hosting the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium and the NSW Waratahs hosting the Fijian Drua on Australian soil. While a Super Saturday start in New Zealand sees the Gallagher Chiefs hosting the Highlanders at 4.35pm in Hamilton and the Crusaders welcoming the Hurricanes to Christchurch at 7.05pm.
I hate this stupid compromise they'd made to reduce derby games. If they added just 2 more matches all NZ teams play each other twice (home & away).
Instead we have a truncated half-baked version to appease NZR, because apparently the NZ derbies are too physical, and Fozzie doesn't like a massive All Black's casualty ward.
NZR is stuck between rock and a hard place. If they went down the path of 2 x nz derbies then people complain that the comp is unbalanced as the nz teams have to play each other twice but the aus teams get to play each other twice.
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Using Crusaders for example, draw should look like this:
Rd 1: Crusaders vs Hurricanes.
Rd 2: Highlanders v Crusaders.
Rd 3: Moana Pasifika v Crusaders.
Rd 4: Crusaders v Chiefs.
Rd 5: Blues vs Crusaders.
Rd 6: Chiefs v Crusaders.
Rd 7: Crusaders v Highlanders.
Rd 8: Hurricanes v Crusaders.
Rd 9: Crusaders v Blues.
Rd 10: Crusaders vs Moana Pasifika.
Week off (all teams).
NZ vs Aussie teams.
(16 games overall, instead of 14)
Finals round.
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Using Crusaders for example, draw should look like this:
Rd 1: Crusaders vs Hurricanes.
Rd 2: Highlanders v Crusaders.
Rd 3: Moana Pasifika v Crusaders.
Rd 4: Crusaders v Chiefs.
Rd 5: Blues vs Crusaders.
Rd 6: Chiefs v Crusaders.
Rd 7: Crusaders v Highlanders.
Rd 8: Hurricanes v Crusaders.
Rd 9: Crusaders v Blues.
Rd 10: Crusaders vs Moana Pasifika.
Week off (all teams).
NZ vs Aussie teams.
(16 games overall, instead of 14)
Finals round.
So using the Blues vs Crusaders as the doomed game, round 5 is when this will all be called off?
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
And you think that would be different in Qld?
Based on Qld successfully holding sports fixtures this year, and the relative number of covid cases in each state, I would say yes.
Back to the SR competition, the Chiefs can only be playing the Hurricanes in the 1st round. The Crusaders are already playing the Highlanders, and the Blues will play MP instead of the Drua.
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
And you think that would be different in Qld?
Based on Qld successfully holding sports fixtures this year, and the relative number of covid cases in each state, I would say yes.
The situation isn't the same now the virus is running rampant in Qld too.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Ignore what I said, as they changed the SRA draw completely.
The competition will kick off with Moana Pasifika hosting the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium and the NSW Waratahs hosting the Fijian Drua on Australian soil. While a Super Saturday start in New Zealand sees the Gallagher Chiefs hosting the Highlanders at 4.35pm in Hamilton and the Crusaders welcoming the Hurricanes to Christchurch at 7.05pm.
I hate this stupid compromise they'd made to reduce derby games. If they added just 2 more matches all NZ teams play each other twice (home & away).
Instead we have a truncated half-baked version to appease NZR, because apparently the NZ derbies are too physical, and Fozzie doesn't like a massive All Black's casualty ward.
NZR is stuck between rock and a hard place. If they went down the path of 2 x nz derbies then people complain that the comp is unbalanced as the nz teams have to play each other twice but the aus teams get to play each other twice.
@kiwimurph said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Ignore what I said, as they changed the SRA draw completely.
The competition will kick off with Moana Pasifika hosting the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium and the NSW Waratahs hosting the Fijian Drua on Australian soil. While a Super Saturday start in New Zealand sees the Gallagher Chiefs hosting the Highlanders at 4.35pm in Hamilton and the Crusaders welcoming the Hurricanes to Christchurch at 7.05pm.
I hate this stupid compromise they'd made to reduce derby games. If they added just 2 more matches all NZ teams play each other twice (home & away).
Instead we have a truncated half-baked version to appease NZR, because apparently the NZ derbies are too physical, and Fozzie doesn't like a massive All Black's casualty ward.
NZR is stuck between rock and a hard place. If they went down the path of 2 x nz derbies then people complain that the comp is unbalanced as the nz teams have to play each other twice but the aus teams get to play each other twice.
NZ teams still play NZ teams 3 (or 2 if you're lucky enough to get the Moana 5 point guaranteed game) extra times, ozzie do it easy with 3 extra ozzie games. Still unbalanced. Home and away, no finals, works. I guess the only games they really make money on are finals, as crowds are so shit, so they think they need to keep them. But English premiership does fine with no finals, and it would be a fair comp based on excellence.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Ignore what I said, as they changed the SRA draw completely.
The competition will kick off with Moana Pasifika hosting the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium and the NSW Waratahs hosting the Fijian Drua on Australian soil. While a Super Saturday start in New Zealand sees the Gallagher Chiefs hosting the Highlanders at 4.35pm in Hamilton and the Crusaders welcoming the Hurricanes to Christchurch at 7.05pm.
I hate this stupid compromise they'd made to reduce derby games. If they added just 2 more matches all NZ teams play each other twice (home & away).
Instead we have a truncated half-baked version to appease NZR, because apparently the NZ derbies are too physical, and Fozzie doesn't like a massive All Black's casualty ward.
NZR is stuck between rock and a hard place. If they went down the path of 2 x nz derbies then people complain that the comp is unbalanced as the nz teams have to play each other twice but the aus teams get to play each other twice.
@kiwimurph said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Ignore what I said, as they changed the SRA draw completely.
The competition will kick off with Moana Pasifika hosting the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium and the NSW Waratahs hosting the Fijian Drua on Australian soil. While a Super Saturday start in New Zealand sees the Gallagher Chiefs hosting the Highlanders at 4.35pm in Hamilton and the Crusaders welcoming the Hurricanes to Christchurch at 7.05pm.
I hate this stupid compromise they'd made to reduce derby games. If they added just 2 more matches all NZ teams play each other twice (home & away).
Instead we have a truncated half-baked version to appease NZR, because apparently the NZ derbies are too physical, and Fozzie doesn't like a massive All Black's casualty ward.
NZR is stuck between rock and a hard place. If they went down the path of 2 x nz derbies then people complain that the comp is unbalanced as the nz teams have to play each other twice but the aus teams get to play each other twice.
Yet... according to Foster/NZR Super Rugby Aotearoa is apparently not "tough enough" to ready players for their test fixtures, which was one of their many laughable list of excuses made for the coaching team's poor record... Meanwhile - we're also being informed (by both coaches & players alike) that the current Derby format is incredibly demanding on our All Black players and they need more easy games against the Aussies..
Foster and NZR's constant shifting of the blame & complete lack of accountability in general is disgraceful.
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@kiwimurph said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Ignore what I said, as they changed the SRA draw completely.
The competition will kick off with Moana Pasifika hosting the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium and the NSW Waratahs hosting the Fijian Drua on Australian soil. While a Super Saturday start in New Zealand sees the Gallagher Chiefs hosting the Highlanders at 4.35pm in Hamilton and the Crusaders welcoming the Hurricanes to Christchurch at 7.05pm.
I hate this stupid compromise they'd made to reduce derby games. If they added just 2 more matches all NZ teams play each other twice (home & away).
Instead we have a truncated half-baked version to appease NZR, because apparently the NZ derbies are too physical, and Fozzie doesn't like a massive All Black's casualty ward.
NZR is stuck between rock and a hard place. If they went down the path of 2 x nz derbies then people complain that the comp is unbalanced as the nz teams have to play each other twice but the aus teams get to play each other twice.
Yet... according to Foster/NZR Super Rugby Aotearoa is apparently not "tough enough" to ready players for their test fixtures, which was one of their many laughable list of excuses made for the coaching team's poor record... Meanwhile - we're also being informed (by both coaches & players alike) that the current Derby format is incredibly demanding on our All Black players and they need more easy games against the Aussies..
Foster and NZR's constant shifting of the blame & complete lack of accountability in general is disgraceful.
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That goes without mentioning how disrespectful and dismissive Foster's comments are towards our top SR coaches such as Razor, Leon, McMillan, Dermody, etc.. which is ironic considering how poor Fozzie's own coaching record in Super Rugby was in comparison to them. He was an utterly shit Super Rugby coach himself, who couldn't even manage a success-rate over 50% after 8 long seasons with a very talented Chiefs outfit.
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That goes without mentioning how disrespectful and dismissive Foster's comments are towards our top SR coaches such as Razor, Leon, McMillan, Dermody, etc.. which is ironic considering how poor Fozzie's own coaching record in Super Rugby was in comparison to them. He was an utterly shit Super Rugby coach himself, who couldn't even manage a success-rate over 50% after 8 long seasons with a very talented Chiefs outfit.
@kiwi_expat Isn't that a rather naive interpretation by you? Do you not agree that the premise of Super rugby is at odds with the preparation for International rugby? The need to score more tries and secure bonus points may tailor player's instinctive reactions. And why on earth would our super coaches train predominantly for a battle of attrition as per topflight test rugby, when they have an elongated season to gather enough points for a favourable draw in play-offs.
I think Foster is spot on. And that is not a bad reflection on the Super coaches at all. (I may have missed Foster criticising the ability of the coaches you named - in which case I would agree with your criticism of that) They just train what is demanded for their players and for their Super rugby outcomes. It is Foster's job to modify the player's learned play from Super rugby to suit a game plan for international play. Maybe that is why we instinctively throw 50 50 passes and try to play wide early, because it works far more in Super rugby, with defences not as robust there.
It would also seem obvious that exposure to different playing styles will better prepare players for international rugby. Playing against South African, Australian, Kiwi, Argentinian and Japanese teams had Super coaches adapting their game plans and strategies, and players learning how to cope with the changing strategies of many evolving opponents.
Perhaps the Irish benefit from being in European competition..... I certainly think that Aotearoa Super rugby has not helped the AB's, while the move of South African into Europe has benefited Ireland, France etc. Lord forbid, it may have even left one of two players a trifle weary by late November.
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@kiwi_expat Isn't that a rather naive interpretation by you? Do you not agree that the premise of Super rugby is at odds with the preparation for International rugby? The need to score more tries and secure bonus points may tailor player's instinctive reactions. And why on earth would our super coaches train predominantly for a battle of attrition as per topflight test rugby, when they have an elongated season to gather enough points for a favourable draw in play-offs.
I think Foster is spot on. And that is not a bad reflection on the Super coaches at all. (I may have missed Foster criticising the ability of the coaches you named - in which case I would agree with your criticism of that) They just train what is demanded for their players and for their Super rugby outcomes. It is Foster's job to modify the player's learned play from Super rugby to suit a game plan for international play. Maybe that is why we instinctively throw 50 50 passes and try to play wide early, because it works far more in Super rugby, with defences not as robust there.
It would also seem obvious that exposure to different playing styles will better prepare players for international rugby. Playing against South African, Australian, Kiwi, Argentinian and Japanese teams had Super coaches adapting their game plans and strategies, and players learning how to cope with the changing strategies of many evolving opponents.
Perhaps the Irish benefit from being in European competition..... I certainly think that Aotearoa Super rugby has not helped the AB's, while the move of South African into Europe has benefited Ireland, France etc. Lord forbid, it may have even left one of two players a trifle weary by late November.
@arhs said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat Isn't that a rather naive interpretation by you? Do you not agree that the premise of Super rugby is at odds with the preparation for International rugby? The need to score more tries and secure bonus points may tailor player's instinctive reactions. And why on earth would our super coaches train predominantly for a battle of attrition as per topflight test rugby, when they have an elongated season to gather enough points for a favourable draw in play-offs.
I think Foster is spot on. And that is not a bad reflection on the Super coaches at all. (I may have missed Foster criticising the ability of the coaches you named - in which case I would agree with your criticism of that) They just train what is demanded for their players and for their Super rugby outcomes. It is Foster's job to modify the player's learned play from Super rugby to suit a game plan for international play. Maybe that is why we instinctively throw 50 50 passes and try to play wide early, because it works far more in Super rugby, with defences not as robust there.
It would also seem obvious that exposure to different playing styles will better prepare players for international rugby. Playing against South African, Australian, Kiwi, Argentinian and Japanese teams had Super coaches adapting their game plans and strategies, and players learning how to cope with the changing strategies of many evolving opponents.
Perhaps the Irish benefit from being in European competition..... I certainly think that Aotearoa Super rugby has not helped the AB's, while the move of South African into Europe has benefited Ireland, France etc. Lord forbid, it may have even left one of two players a trifle weary by late November.
Our worst franchise (Hurricanes beat the top of table Sharks 38-20 in 2020), Razor has a unbeaten record against SA teams across 4 years and under Robertson the Crusaders faced Jaguares (essentially a full Argentina squad) twice, winning 40-14 (away), 19-3 (home). The Hurricanes also beat the Jaguares in 2020 in Argentinia prior to lockdown...
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List of Crusaders loses under Razor during the international SR format (2017-2020):
Hurricanes (2x), Chiefs (2x), Highlanders (1x), Waratahs (x1).
Number of SA franchises that qualified for playoffs:
2017 (3), 2018 (2), 2019 (2).
Number of NZ franchises that qualified for playoffs:
2017 (4), 2018 (4), 2019 (4).
The SA franchises were not dominant at any point since Super Rugby's inception, even the Australian sides were statistically more consistent overall. There seems to be an extreme misconception regarding the value those SA franchises brought to the competition. Even with the regular assistance of corrupt officials at home and a farcical conference system providing them guaranteed top playoff spots.. they still never performed to a great level.
