Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022
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@kev said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Lot of talk about bowlers but batting lineup is the issue - as it was in India. Looking particularly at Taylor, Nicholls, Blundell and Ravindra. Would like to see their combined a averages across the India series and this test match?
Taylor is going, Nicholls will be safe cos of that 75 ( although Rossco leaving helps his cause )…..but massive question marks over the other two.
Who is next in line as keeper ?
Early days but is Ravindra anything other than Santner mark II at this level ?
@mn5 said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kev said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Lot of talk about bowlers but batting lineup is the issue - as it was in India. Looking particularly at Taylor, Nicholls, Blundell and Ravindra. Would like to see their combined a averages across the India series and this test match?
Taylor is going, Nicholls will be safe cos of that 75 ( although Rossco leaving helps his cause )…..but massive question marks over the other two.
Who is next in line as keeper ?
Early days but is Ravindra anything other than Santner mark II at this level ?
Cleaver is next in line as keeper and he has been in excellent form in Super Smash and also has good form in the Plunket Shield. I think he is a much better batsman than Blundell and the selectors should definitely consider making the switch but I don't see it happening (they like to stick with their players and Blundell was Watling's designated backup for a long time).
Ravindra is being picked more for his potential future as a top order batsmen (he is actually an opener) rather than a replacement for Santner (whose test bowling is so bad the selectors don't mind picking a part timer over him). If you look at Ravindra's domestic record it is not actually that great (he certainly hasn't dominated like Williamson did) so his selection is more based on potential and reputation from age group cricket. Hopefully he can fulfill his promise and become the batsmen we are hoping he will be, I do find it a bit strange the selectors are batting Blundell above him.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
No demons in the pitch all of a sudden...
The Demons of Disciplined Bowling? Or the Demons of Wide Short Pies?
From cricinfo it sounds like the latter, hoping for a catch in the gully through the age-old adage of shit gets wickets.
@nta said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
No demons in the pitch all of a sudden...
The Demons of Disciplined Bowling? Or the Demons of Wide Short Pies?
From cricinfo it sounds like the latter, hoping for a catch in the gully through the age-old adage of shit gets wickets.
You nailed it smart game plan well executed by the Bangladesh.
Southee looking like he’s done bowling the shit he has delivered no intent.
But he will be selected again and again to keep delivering short shit or half volleys at 120ks.
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@kev said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Lot of talk about bowlers but batting lineup is the issue - as it was in India. Looking particularly at Taylor, Nicholls, Blundell and Ravindra. Would like to see their combined a averages across the India series and this test match?
Well, the sentimentality around 'giving Rossco a farewell tour' is possibly backfiring a bit now. The runs that Taylor and Nicholls have scored also haven't been chanceless.
Blundell should be the most under the microscope though. Also Luke Ronchi.
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kev said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Lot of talk about bowlers but batting lineup is the issue - as it was in India. Looking particularly at Taylor, Nicholls, Blundell and Ravindra. Would like to see their combined a averages across the India series and this test match?
Well, the sentimentality around 'giving Rossco a farewell tour' is possibly backfiring a bit now. The runs that Taylor and Nicholls have scored also haven't been chanceless.
Blundell should be the most under the microscope though. Also Luke Ronchi.
I don’t remember Nicholls giving a chance in that 75 ?.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kev said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Lot of talk about bowlers but batting lineup is the issue - as it was in India. Looking particularly at Taylor, Nicholls, Blundell and Ravindra. Would like to see their combined a averages across the India series and this test match?
Well, the sentimentality around 'giving Rossco a farewell tour' is possibly backfiring a bit now. The runs that Taylor and Nicholls have scored also haven't been chanceless.
Blundell should be the most under the microscope though. Also Luke Ronchi.
I don’t remember Nicholls giving a chance in that 75 ?.
Or did I miss something.@chris said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@kev said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
Lot of talk about bowlers but batting lineup is the issue - as it was in India. Looking particularly at Taylor, Nicholls, Blundell and Ravindra. Would like to see their combined a averages across the India series and this test match?
Well, the sentimentality around 'giving Rossco a farewell tour' is possibly backfiring a bit now. The runs that Taylor and Nicholls have scored also haven't been chanceless.
Blundell should be the most under the microscope though. Also Luke Ronchi.
I don’t remember Nicholls giving a chance in that 75 ?.
Or did I miss something.To be fair, that was one of his more consistent efforts. My sun fried brain is possibly conflating innings plus the Indian tests.
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An 8 wicket loss to the Bangles, you couldn’t script it but that is what we love about sport. It’s unpredictable, the against all odds can actually happen, underdogs do get up from time to time.
There will be massive questions asked about our prep, selections, captaincy and individual performances. And so there should be, but I tip my potae to the Bangles and the way they went about it. Their application and energy seemed a cut above any of their recent performances and more importantly in this match above ours.
Congrats.
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Well done Bangladesh. Dogged, disciplined, and determined. Only their 6th away win apparently:
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Classic, now that there is a rain delay in the Ashes, Aussie radio can’t get enough of our loss
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Well done Bangladesh. Still can’t quite believe it but hats off. Fantastic performance, hope the celebrations are fun !
See you in chch
Mods, please ban @NTA from this thread
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This really is a disappointing result and it had to happen at sometime given the age of our bowlers and some batters.
Still suuuucks that the drop off the cliff is so rapid.
Funny that after the first test in India, I was hopeful and maybe expectant of our first series win over there.......
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This really is a disappointing result and it had to happen at sometime given the age of our bowlers and some batters.
Still suuuucks that the drop off the cliff is so rapid.
Funny that after the first test in India, I was hopeful and maybe expectant of our first series win over there.......
@hooroo We are starting to resemble English Rugby 2004
Congrats to the Bangladeshi team. Hate it when losers focus just on their own deficiencies. Bangles outplayed us in every facet of the game Full credit etc
Need to turn this around quickly or could be a loooong summer of cricket...
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@hooroo We are starting to resemble English Rugby 2004
Congrats to the Bangladeshi team. Hate it when losers focus just on their own deficiencies. Bangles outplayed us in every facet of the game Full credit etc
Need to turn this around quickly or could be a loooong summer of cricket...
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Bangladesh 2022:
@hooroo We are starting to resemble English Rugby 2004
Congrats to the Bangladeshi team. Hate it when losers focus just on their own deficiencies. Bangles outplayed us in every facet of the game Full credit etc
Need to turn this around quickly or could be a loooong summer of cricket...
Happy to see that Aussie are awesome again and NZ suck. Bloody good times....
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There were a combination of factors which caused us to lose that game.
One of them was the pitch and the weather conditions. In hindsight, that was a crucial toss to win. I think had we won the toss and bowled we could have got into their top order on the first day. Bangladesh won the toss and, although they could not exploit the conditions themselves, they stopped us from doing so. The hot weather baked and flattened out the pitch. Maybe batting last could have been difficult on that pitch but we didn't have the bowlers or the runs of the board to do it.
We also weren't properly prepared. Most of our team had not played test cricket since the Indian series. With COVID there is not much that can be done about that. I would say that this match does show the importance of making sure our test players are available for a few games of first class cricket early in the season.
There are plenty of negatives we could point out in terms of the performances. Of course, many people are looking for someone to blame. The truth is you can't blame how the team was selected.
Boult and Southee are two of our best bowlers ever, we know what Wagner brings and Jamieson's record speaks for itself. Given that we are going with four bowlers, we need a spin bowling all rounder in there. Santner and Sodhi have been tried and failed so it is clear why they went with Ravindra.
As for the batting, our whole team has great records. People think Nicholls is lucky to be there or should be dropped. However, his average is better than Fleming's. Although our team has shown a good uptick in results, I think people are deluded if they think we have domestic batsmen who can slot in and average 40 plus. Mitchell has a good record but it remains to be seen if he can retain that after playing more tests. The game did show how much we miss Williamson. If he had played, I doubt we would have lost.
The only thing I will add is that it is disappointing how quickly we collapsed. We didn't get to see a lot of fight today.
The other reason we lost is because Bangladesh were incredible! At numerous times you expected them to fold with the bat but it didn't happen. Their bowlers were really disciplined, even when they did not look dangerous. Let's not forget Bangladesh are missing Shakib and Tamin Iqbal.
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Good performance Bangladesh, poor performance by NZ, but that in part is because of their good performance.
Transitional time now for the batting line up, Kane back for Ross's retirement is essentially our batting line up for the next 5 years, so it might take a year of bedding in.
Next stop, the Hagley
GreenOval at which Southee and Boult will suddenly perform and we will salvage the series with an innings win.
