Ross Taylor retires
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@chris-b said in Ross Taylor retires:
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
Grumpy Old Man cricket post as I was trawling cricinfo for batsmen to compare Rossco to…….
Hashim Amla wouldn't be a bad comparison.
Not quite the best batsman in the team, but a great record.
Absolutely. It’s just with our chequered history Taylor would be in any other era, Amla would too if Kallis didn’t exist. VVS Laxman, Justin Langer, Mark Waugh, David Gower, Michael Clarke, Michael Hussey and Ian Bell are others of that ilk who spring to mind. All very good ( and some personal favourites of mine there too ) but just short of that top echelon.
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@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
@chris-b said in Ross Taylor retires:
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
Grumpy Old Man cricket post as I was trawling cricinfo for batsmen to compare Rossco to…….
Hashim Amla wouldn't be a bad comparison.
Not quite the best batsman in the team, but a great record.
Absolutely. It’s just with our chequered history Taylor would be in any other era, Amla would too if Kallis didn’t exist. VVS Laxman, Justin Langer, Mark Waugh, David Gower, Michael Clarke, Michael Hussey and Ian Bell are others of that ilk who spring to mind. All very good ( and some personal favourites of mine there too ) but just short of that top echelon.
To me he goes on a tier with several of those like Pietersen, Gayle, Sehwag, Inzamam etc. They all transcended recurring technical flaws throughout their career to fashion impressive test and white ball records and at their best were as good as anyone of their era at test level.
None you could reliably anchor a test batting order around like Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting or even Kane.
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@rotated said in Ross Taylor retires:
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
@chris-b said in Ross Taylor retires:
@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
Grumpy Old Man cricket post as I was trawling cricinfo for batsmen to compare Rossco to…….
Hashim Amla wouldn't be a bad comparison.
Not quite the best batsman in the team, but a great record.
Absolutely. It’s just with our chequered history Taylor would be in any other era, Amla would too if Kallis didn’t exist. VVS Laxman, Justin Langer, Mark Waugh, David Gower, Michael Clarke, Michael Hussey and Ian Bell are others of that ilk who spring to mind. All very good ( and some personal favourites of mine there too ) but just short of that top echelon.
To me he goes on a tier with several of those like Pietersen, Gayle, Sehwag, Inzamam etc. They all transcended some pretty clear technical flaws throughout their career to fashion impressive test and white ball legacies and at their best were as good as anyone of their era at test level.
None you could reliably anchor a test batting order around like Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting or even Kane.
Pietersen to me should have been in the very upper echelon but yeah he probably slots in here. His career faded a bit and being the stickler for stats that I am he finished up averaging 47, not 50 as he was for a lot of his career. One of THE best guys to watch when on form though. Just beautiful for a lanky tall guy ( when you consider most great batsmen are little )…..and the best batsman in the team til Root emerged.
Gayle was a massive hitter obviously but he could knuckle down and an average of 42 is good when you consider fuck all guys managed 50 opening for obvious reasons.
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Without Kane as a current comparison, we'd be lauding Ross as arguably the greatest international batsman NZ has ever produced, at least on the numbers. Obviously Crowe and Turner (to name 2) were legitimately world class in their eras, but Ross has NZ records for:
- most international runs
- most test and ODI runs
- most international centuries
- most ODI centuries
- most international 50s and 50+
- most ODI 50s and 50+
- most international catches other than by a keeper
- most international appearances
- only player (for any country) to play 100 internationals in tests, ODIs and T20s
Some of that is longevity, a lot of it is class.
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@godder said in Ross Taylor retires:
- most international centuries
- most combined centuries against Windies, Bangles and Zimbots
We could do with another one tomorrow too
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@act-crusader said in Ross Taylor retires:
@godder said in Ross Taylor retires:
- most international centuries
- most combined centuries against Windies, Bangles and Zimbots
We could do with another one tomorrow too
What a way to go out. Saving us again
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@tewaio said in Ross Taylor retires:
My 2021 sporting highlight for sure.
We did a small poll of people at a NY eve dinner, about their favourite moment/event of 2021 overall. No mention of sports involved in it.
4/5 people voted for the WTC.
3 of those 4 - had had their first-born child that year.
The only dissenter - a dirty foreigner, who voted for her first-born child being born. Filthy. -
@higgins said in Ross Taylor retires:
@mariner4life It's only Bangladesh they are playing so had better make that run out for about 250.
#agedlikemilk
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Good read, even gives him grief about the run outs !
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@no-quarter said in Ross Taylor retires:
Some ODI stats
World class in that format of the game
Edit - ABdV's strike rate and average is just out of this world. Also, India plays a shit ton of ODIs, particularly on the subcontinent.
AB De Villiers was exceptional at test level too. A really underrated batsman overall for whatever reason considering he maintained that average AND strike rate like he did.
Test performance comes first in my opinion but doing the business in the shorter forms definitely helps too.
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@no-quarter said in Ross Taylor retires:
Some ODI stats
World class in that format of the game
Edit - ABdV's strike rate and average is just out of this world. Also, India plays a shit ton of ODIs, particularly on the subcontinent.
Agree, one of the all time greats in ODIs. Sir Viv is another, even now his ODI record stands up to modern standards, but in his era, was head and shoulders above the rest.
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Bastard of an interview screened during lunch today. Bloody hard watching the last few minutes when it involved Martin. Mac said it best, probably a good thing they didn't show it on the big screen at Hagley, the ground might have been flooded due to the amount of dust in the eyes.
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@synicbast said in Ross Taylor retires:
Bastard of an interview screened during lunch today. Bloody hard watching the last few minutes when it involved Martin. Mac said it best, probably a good thing they didn't show it on the big screen at Hagley, the ground might have been flooded due to the amount of dust in the eyes.
Is it available to watch on spark? Fancy a good cry
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@canefan said in Ross Taylor retires:
@synicbast said in Ross Taylor retires:
Bastard of an interview screened during lunch today. Bloody hard watching the last few minutes when it involved Martin. Mac said it best, probably a good thing they didn't show it on the big screen at Hagley, the ground might have been flooded due to the amount of dust in the eyes.
Is it available to watch on spark? Fancy a good cry
Just watch their first test on replay
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@mn5 said in Ross Taylor retires:
@canefan said in Ross Taylor retires:
@synicbast said in Ross Taylor retires:
Bastard of an interview screened during lunch today. Bloody hard watching the last few minutes when it involved Martin. Mac said it best, probably a good thing they didn't show it on the big screen at Hagley, the ground might have been flooded due to the amount of dust in the eyes.
Is it available to watch on spark? Fancy a good cry
Just watch their first test on replay
They had a 12 minute Ross Taylor thing on Spark. Didn't find it as dusty as Crowe walking onto EP at half time of the NZ-AUS CWC 2015 pool game. That was farken emotional
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Goodbye to an absolute legend, in test cricket for now.
I wonder if anyone could find an old thread midway through Rosco's career where I extrapolated his numbers to see how he finished up in comparison to what I predicted?
I'd have loved to have seen him go out with a big hundred at home, getting him to 20 in tests and potentially lifting that average back up over 45. His last couple of years in test cricket (hitting the winning runs in the WTC final aside) were slightly disappointing as he appeared to finally wane a bit. Looking at the stats his last ton was late 2019 vs England in Hamilton and in 27 subsequent innings - starting with the infamous away Australia series from December 2019 - he passed 50 just three times, plus four not outs and his average in that period was 28.73. Up until that point it was 47.12. In saying that, his best score from those 27 innings was 80 in the first innings in Perth but his series average was 25.33 So I think the clear point of demarcation between peak Rosco and waning Rosco was that series. There were people suggesting he retire at various stages during that period, but I was always all for him going on as long as possible and I'm pleased he did, despite the drop in stats.
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@shark said in Ross Taylor retires:
I wonder if anyone could find an old thread midway through Rosco's career where I extrapolated his numbers to see how he finished up in comparison to what I predicted?
Anything older than 2016 is probably gone
Here’s a post of yours from 2016 than talks a bit about where Taylor could end up
@shark said in Black Caps Tour to Zimbabwe:
Taylor is now 32 1/2 years old and has only played 70 tests. While I'm sure he has a few more hundreds in him to go ahead of his mentor, the late great Martin Crowe, he seems destined to retire not having played anywhere near as many tests or scored as many runs as I would have expected. For a guy who's been a consistent century-maker and averaged in the early to mid 40's throughout his career, he just seems to have gotten close to the twilight of his career rather soon. But I guess if he plays another 30 tests he will have played 100 and scored in the region of 7500-8000 runs and 18 or so centuries. He'll never be the most prolific NZ century scorer as Williamson will go ahead of him, but he should briefly be our greatest run-scorer until overtaken by Williamson. The flipside is, now he's well into his 30s, he could retire from tests early, or be limited due to injury and come up well short of where I feel he should finish on these record tables.
There's a few responses in that thread too. It's a bit hard to read as the formatting is screwed up on (it was migrated from the old forum)
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@duluth wow, great work, thanks!
So when I posted that, he'd played 70 tests in almost 9 years as of a quick tour of Zimbabwe mid-2016 and was averaging at that stage 47 with 14 tons (in the next test of that tour he scored his 15th and got the average up to 48.66 (career high was 48.67 after a 2* in his next innings).
Over the next 5 1/2 years he played 42 tests despite Covid with just four tons. So the annual rate of approx 8 per year was maintained and he got to 112 but his run scoring did drop away a bit. He got to the run target I predicted (7683) and scored 19 tons.
