Black Caps vs Proteas 2022
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@jk said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Bad news for the Black Caps:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300508981/black-caps-captain-kane-williamson-set-to-miss-test-series-against-south-africaI really don't like the idea of Mitchell batting 5, think I would prefer Phillips in that spot.
NZC should definitely consider sending an SOS to Taylor, he won't be in MIQ anymore so no reason he wouldn't be available.
Shit all of a sudden we’re looking really skinny in that middle order. Both KW AND Rossco not being there fills me with worry……
But then again we have proven performers in Latham, Nicholls and Conway…..Young is showing promise………Mitchell might do well as a batting all rounder. Blundell got a score against the Bangies……
We’ll hopefully be alright.
Yeah that's actually looking pretty average now.
Didnt read the article but is it Kane's elbow that is still giving him grief?It is.
The onus is on Conway to see if he’s an ordinary cricketer who has made a fantastic start or if he’s a genuine class player.
The onus is also on Young, Blundell and Nicholls to show if they are legitimate contributors at test level also.
Not sure making CdG and Taylor feel unwanted was wise in hindsight.
Huh ? Taylor is about THE most universally loved Black Cap I can remember. People didn’t “not want him” it was more a case of us all being upset his form appeared to have deserted him.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@jk said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Bad news for the Black Caps:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300508981/black-caps-captain-kane-williamson-set-to-miss-test-series-against-south-africaI really don't like the idea of Mitchell batting 5, think I would prefer Phillips in that spot.
NZC should definitely consider sending an SOS to Taylor, he won't be in MIQ anymore so no reason he wouldn't be available.
Shit all of a sudden we’re looking really skinny in that middle order. Both KW AND Rossco not being there fills me with worry……
But then again we have proven performers in Latham, Nicholls and Conway…..Young is showing promise………Mitchell might do well as a batting all rounder. Blundell got a score against the Bangies……
We’ll hopefully be alright.
Yeah that's actually looking pretty average now.
Didnt read the article but is it Kane's elbow that is still giving him grief?It is.
The onus is on Conway to see if he’s an ordinary cricketer who has made a fantastic start or if he’s a genuine class player.
The onus is also on Young, Blundell and Nicholls to show if they are legitimate contributors at test level also.
Not sure making CdG and Taylor feel unwanted was wise in hindsight.
Huh ? Taylor is about THE most universally loved Black Cap I can remember. People didn’t “not want him” it was more a case of us all being upset his form appeared to have deserted him.
The selectors.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@jk said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Bad news for the Black Caps:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300508981/black-caps-captain-kane-williamson-set-to-miss-test-series-against-south-africaI really don't like the idea of Mitchell batting 5, think I would prefer Phillips in that spot.
NZC should definitely consider sending an SOS to Taylor, he won't be in MIQ anymore so no reason he wouldn't be available.
Shit all of a sudden we’re looking really skinny in that middle order. Both KW AND Rossco not being there fills me with worry……
But then again we have proven performers in Latham, Nicholls and Conway…..Young is showing promise………Mitchell might do well as a batting all rounder. Blundell got a score against the Bangies……
We’ll hopefully be alright.
Yeah that's actually looking pretty average now.
Didnt read the article but is it Kane's elbow that is still giving him grief?It is.
The onus is on Conway to see if he’s an ordinary cricketer who has made a fantastic start or if he’s a genuine class player.
The onus is also on Young, Blundell and Nicholls to show if they are legitimate contributors at test level also.
Not sure making CdG and Taylor feel unwanted was wise in hindsight.
Huh ? Taylor is about THE most universally loved Black Cap I can remember. People didn’t “not want him” it was more a case of us all being upset his form appeared to have deserted him.
The selectors.
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@jk said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Bad news for the Black Caps:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/300508981/black-caps-captain-kane-williamson-set-to-miss-test-series-against-south-africaI really don't like the idea of Mitchell batting 5, think I would prefer Phillips in that spot.
NZC should definitely consider sending an SOS to Taylor, he won't be in MIQ anymore so no reason he wouldn't be available.
Shit all of a sudden we’re looking really skinny in that middle order. Both KW AND Rossco not being there fills me with worry……
But then again we have proven performers in Latham, Nicholls and Conway…..Young is showing promise………Mitchell might do well as a batting all rounder. Blundell got a score against the Bangies……
We’ll hopefully be alright.
Yeah that's actually looking pretty average now.
Didnt read the article but is it Kane's elbow that is still giving him grief?It is.
The onus is on Conway to see if he’s an ordinary cricketer who has made a fantastic start or if he’s a genuine class player.
The onus is also on Young, Blundell and Nicholls to show if they are legitimate contributors at test level also.
Not sure making CdG and Taylor feel unwanted was wise in hindsight.
Huh ? Taylor is about THE most universally loved Black Cap I can remember. People didn’t “not want him” it was more a case of us all being upset his form appeared to have deserted him.
The selectors.
He retired, he didn’t get dropped
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was some mutual agreement there. I would doubt that the selectors went out of their way to convince him to retire from tests after the SA series, and there is zero, I mean zero, chatter around them asking him to reconsider now the Aussie tour is off and Kane is injured. We could all clearly see his test abilities had waned over the last couple of years. The selectors would be vividly aware of that also. If he was in any kind of touch and/or the selectors had faith that he could do a job vs SA, surely they'd be twisting his arm to play one more series.
So yeah sure, he retired on his terms in that the Aussie limited overs tour was to be his international swansong (forget Holland) but it was also quite fortuitous that the MIQ after Australia was going to preclude Rosco from being ready for SA, or at least the first test anyway.
I'm almost certain with a fit Kane that Rosco would have been out of the picture, and it's telling that even now with Kane out and no Aussie series crossover, there's no buzz around Rosco playing against SA.
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Tough to put the toothpaste back in the tube after that send off etc even if they wanted to.
Our batting depth is wafer thin. If all are fully fit who goes to England as our top order batting specialist reserve? Phillips or someone with zero test experience? Can't even think of a name. They will probably take a bunch of middle order players and move everyone up.
They seem to have massively overestimated out batting stocks on the back of Ravindra blocking out a test and one T20 innings from Mitchell. Not to mention Blundell and Nicholls who have been in about the same form as Taylor over the past 18 months (save for that 150 from Nicholls against Pakistan where he was dropped 5 times or so).
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None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
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None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
I fear our bowling is only a few short years from looking just as thin.
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None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
I think we just need to accept we had a freakish golden period with some all time NZ greats and that will come to an end soon and we might end up like ( as one example ) Sri Lanka did when Sangakkara and Jayawardene retired at the same time.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
I think a teams best batsman is virtually always three OR four……
Our Geoffrey says, "Ee's not played much attention to cricket 'istory, tha' lad".
I think it depends on who's available to the team. It wouldn't have made sense to shift Kane to 4 when Rossco and Nicholls weren't suited to 3.
Sir Viv is probably a bit of a model - slowly drifting through 3,4,5 and a few experiments elsewhere.
@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
I think a teams best batsman is virtually always three OR four……
Our Geoffrey says, "Ee's not played much attention to cricket 'istory, tha' lad".
I think it depends on who's available to the team. It wouldn't have made sense to shift Kane to 4 when Rossco and Nicholls weren't suited to 3.
> Sir Viv is probably a bit of a model - slowly drifting through 3,4,5 and a few experiments elsewhere.
Dunno about that, he was the exception not the rule.
In saying that Steve Waugh and Border were better players than Boon and Mark Waugh yet always batted five or six.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was some mutual agreement there. I would doubt that the selectors went out of their way to convince him to retire from tests after the SA series, and there is zero, I mean zero, chatter around them asking him to reconsider now the Aussie tour is off and Kane is injured. We could all clearly see his test abilities had waned over the last couple of years. The selectors would be vividly aware of that also. If he was in any kind of touch and/or the selectors had faith that he could do a job vs SA, surely they'd be twisting his arm to play one more series.
So yeah sure, he retired on his terms in that the Aussie limited overs tour was to be his international swansong (forget Holland) but it was also quite fortuitous that the MIQ after Australia was going to preclude Rosco from being ready for SA, or at least the first test anyway.
I'm almost certain with a fit Kane that Rosco would have been out of the picture, and it's telling that even now with Kane out and no Aussie series crossover, there's no buzz around Rosco playing against SA.
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
I wouldn't be surprised if there was some mutual agreement there. I would doubt that the selectors went out of their way to convince him to retire from tests after the SA series, and there is zero, I mean zero, chatter around them asking him to reconsider now the Aussie tour is off and Kane is injured.
White did say on the TV news that Taylor has retired from test cricket so there was no chance he would be selected despite the uncertainty over Williamson.
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@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
I think we just need to accept we had a freakish golden period with some all time NZ greats and that will come to an end soon and we might end up like ( as one example ) Sri Lanka did when Sangakkara and Jayawardene retired at the same time.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
None of us really suggested it when we were going great in tests and had a settled opener/3/4/5 combination, but we missed an opportunity to blood a new player or two with that lot batting around them. We're fortunate Young has taken his chances latterly, and Conway qualified and looks the goods. But we don't have any youthful guys banging down the door. Nicholls is the youngest at what, 28? Ideally we'd have blooded at least one young guy over the last 3-4 years. Phillips is the only other bloke I recall getting an opportunity and his 50 in Sydney was fortuitous to say the least, but maybe they should have given him a few more games here and there on a rotational basis?
I think we just need to accept we had a freakish golden period with some all time NZ greats and that will come to an end soon and we might end up like ( as one example ) Sri Lanka did when Sangakkara and Jayawardene retired at the same time.
We also needed to make the most of that talent and rotation would have meant we wouldn't have got the results we did, especially in the test arena. We played the WTC perfectly and managed to win the fucking thing, I really don't have any expectations of us going back to back.
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Not quite the squad I was expecting, but an interesting one. Perhaps:
- Young
- Latham (c)
- Conway
- Nicholls
- Mitchell
- Blundell
- Ravindra
- de Grandhomme
- Jamieson
- Southee
- Wagner
... with 5, 6, 7, & 8 probably in any random order, depending on the state of the game?
On paper that is a short tail, and has six bowling options, but is also a 5 - 8 that could vanish quickly with the bat, depending on their collective day.
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Not quite the squad I was expecting, but an interesting one. Perhaps:
- Young
- Latham (c)
- Conway
- Nicholls
- Mitchell
- Blundell
- Ravindra
- de Grandhomme
- Jamieson
- Southee
- Wagner
... with 5, 6, 7, & 8 probably in any random order, depending on the state of the game?
On paper that is a short tail, and has six bowling options, but is also a 5 - 8 that could vanish quickly with the bat, depending on their collective day.
@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Not quite the squad I was expecting, but an interesting one. Perhaps:
- Young
- Latham (c)
- Conway
- Nicholls
- Mitchell
- Blundell
- Ravindra
- de Grandhomme
- Jamieson
- Southee
- Wagner
... with 5, 6, 7, & 8 probably in any random order, depending on the state of the game?
On paper that is a short tail, and has six bowling options, but is also a 5 - 8 that could vanish quickly with the bat, depending on their collective day.
Yeah its a funny one eh depending how you look at it. 5-8 could go ok but major risk they dont and therefore we are very reliant on the top 4.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
The team looks weak as anything without KW, Rossco and Boult there.
SA to take the series 2-0
I'm thinking 1 - 1, or even 1 - 0 to us, depending on how SA adjust to the conditions. Partly that Boult could be back for the second test, and partly that de Grandhomme might dry up the scoring at one end for Wags to put even more pressure on. Plus our top three with the bat.
(Though my brain is doing its best to block out the Bay Oval memories...)
