Ireland v Wales
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@booboo said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
@booboo said in Ireland v Wales:
@mariner4life said in Ireland v Wales:
@booboo said in Ireland v Wales:
Question please. May have been addressed.
Wat is the ruling when Conway scored when he grounded short then rolled it forward?
My feeling is that he lost possession and propelled it forward so should be a knock on.
Is there a ruling/interpretation/law that defines this that I'm not aware of?
Thanks
TMO said he never lost control and slid over the line.
I didn't have a problem with it.
I'm not sure if I had a problem with it or not. Just had me querying what the ruling is.
If "control" is the measure there's an argument he did lose control.
Happy to take it if my team scored it. Would whinge against.
Control is nothing, he meant he never knocked it on, his hand never left the ball, so that's fine
I don't want to make a thing cause I'm not that invested (honest), but I felt his hand did leave the ball as it was rolling on his wrist.
Yeah it did but all the ball had to do was touch one bit of white paint beforehand, which I think it quite conclusively did.
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@victor-meldrew said in Ireland v Wales:
29-0 with 20 minutes to go. Wales making it too easy for Ireland to score.
This could get very, very ugly.
Commentator’s curse!
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@booboo said in Ireland v Wales:
@mariner4life said in Ireland v Wales:
@booboo said in Ireland v Wales:
Question please. May have been addressed.
Wat is the ruling when Conway scored when he grounded short then rolled it forward?
My feeling is that he lost possession and propelled it forward so should be a knock on.
Is there a ruling/interpretation/law that defines this that I'm not aware of?
Thanks
TMO said he never lost control and slid over the line.
I didn't have a problem with it.
I'm not sure if I had a problem with it or not. Just had me querying what the ruling is.
If "control" is the measure there's an argument he did lose control.
Happy to take it if my team scored it. Would whinge against.
Losing control is a red herring. If pass not thrown forward, that is touches another player or ground after leaving possession, all that matters is that downward pressure is applied once on or beyond goal line.
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@daffy-jaffy said in Ireland v Wales:
Wales backline defensive alignment woeful. Some nice passing for Ringrose try.
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Things might be getting tougher for Wales before they get better considering their Under 20s got flogged 53 - 05 by the Paddies as well
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@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Pretty clear to me that you and a few other morons on here are the ones with the chip on the shoulder.
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@the-irishman said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Pretty clear to me that you and a few other morons on here are the ones with the chip on the shoulder.
Alright, look whose turned up then!
Interesting that you've played the man on the shoulder chip comment, not the Irish blood.
As clearly according to the IRFU recruiting policy, there is no need for that.
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@the-irishman said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Pretty clear to me that you and a few other morons on here are the ones with the chip on the shoulder.
If you're upset I'm biased against halfbacks, I can't help ya, cos I am.
If you're upset I was implying there is a huge number of people around the world claiming Irish blood, I was,
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-03-17/10-countries-with-the-most-irish-emigrants -
@the-irishman said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Pretty clear to me that you and a few other morons on here are the ones with the chip on the shoulder.
You need to view this place a bit like a pub. It's a public place but there are a lot of private conversations that can be overheard quite easily, usually with a lot of banter going on between people who have known each other for a long time. Like in a pub you can always walk away if you don't like the banter.
Or you could get pissed and take exception...
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@catogrande said in Ireland v Wales:
@the-irishman said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Pretty clear to me that you and a few other morons on here are the ones with the chip on the shoulder.
You need to view this place a bit like a pub. It's a public place but there are a lot of private conversations that can be overheard quite easily, usually with a lot of banter going on between people who have known each other for a long time. Like in a pub you can always walk away if you don't like the banter.
Or you could get pissed and take exception...
Absolutely spot on. The shit said behind Catogrande's back is off the scale.
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@majorrage said in Ireland v Wales:
@catogrande said in Ireland v Wales:
@the-irishman said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Pretty clear to me that you and a few other morons on here are the ones with the chip on the shoulder.
You need to view this place a bit like a pub. It's a public place but there are a lot of private conversations that can be overheard quite easily, usually with a lot of banter going on between people who have known each other for a long time. Like in a pub you can always walk away if you don't like the banter.
Or you could get pissed and take exception...
Absolutely spot on. The shit said behind Catogrande's back is off the scale.
Yeah. Full of keyboard warriors here
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@majorrage said in Ireland v Wales:
@catogrande said in Ireland v Wales:
@the-irishman said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Pretty clear to me that you and a few other morons on here are the ones with the chip on the shoulder.
You need to view this place a bit like a pub. It's a public place but there are a lot of private conversations that can be overheard quite easily, usually with a lot of banter going on between people who have known each other for a long time. Like in a pub you can always walk away if you don't like the banter.
Or you could get pissed and take exception...
Absolutely spot on. The shit said behind Catogrande's back is off the scale.
fuck off. Directly to his stupid pommy face
Also the Irish are hard core poachers
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@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Funny thing about all the arguments above, is the comment was actually towards the Welsh nine, not the Irish
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit. -
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Funny thing about all the arguments above, is the comment was actually towards the Welsh nine, not the Irish
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.oh was it?? I thought I was replying to "How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?"
Anyway, I didn't mean to insult the Irish. The chip on the shoulder is a well-known 9 stereotype, or so I erroneously thought... -
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v Wales:
@antipodean said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
I can't believe there is a world shortage of snappy, aggro little men with some Irish blood and a chip on the shoulder.
Funny thing about all the arguments above, is the comment was actually towards the Welsh nine, not the Irish
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.oh was it?? I thought I was replying to "How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?"
Anyway, I didn't mean to insult the Irish. The chip on the shoulder is a well-known 9 stereotype,or so I erroneously thought...as everyone knows. -
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With regard to why Gibson-Park is starting at 9 for Ireland, it's been a controversial enough call in Ireland. Or at least it was until his performances against Japan and New Zealand in November quietened many of his critics. He's got the skill set that Farrell wants in his scrum-half, can get the ball away quickly, provides enough of a running threat, excellent support runner. His performance on Saturday was a bit hesitant though and that will be punished by better sides.
On the other scrum-half options in Ireland, Conor Murray used to be head and shoulders above all the others but he's regressed quite a bit since he picked up a neck injury in 2018. His understudy at Munster, Craig Casey, certainly has the zip to play the type of game that Farrell wants and I hope Munster bring in a head coach who wants his side to play some rugby as this will definitely benefit their international aspirations. Van Graan's bok-lite rugby at Munster has killed some players' international ambitions down there.
Luke McGrath starts as many matches as JGP for Leinster when they're both fit but his passing accuracy simply isn't good enough for international rugby. A shame because he's a better player than JGP in most other aspects.
Couple of decent options at Connacht in Kieran Marmion and Caolin Blade but their faces don't seem to fit, same with John Cooney of Ulster who was the form scrum-half in the country in 2019 and 2020.
Best prospect is Nathan Doak up at Ulster. Only turned 20 in December, already getting plenty of starts for Ulster due to Cooney's injuries. Looks the heir apparent and certainly is chippy enough. Actually might need to tone it down a bit as he's pissed off some refs in the last couple of matches.
To sum up, Gibson-Park is one of a number of decent but not top-class scrum halfs in Ireland. He's got the jersey at the moment but it wouldn't be a massive surprise if he disappeared off the radar completely if his form dropped a bit.
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@cormac said in Ireland v Wales:
With regard to why Gibson-Park is starting at 9 for Ireland, it's been a controversial enough call in Ireland. Or at least it was until his performances against Japan and New Zealand in November quietened many of his critics. He's got the skill set that Farrell wants in his scrum-half, can get the ball away quickly, provides enough of a running threat, excellent support runner. His performance on Saturday was a bit hesitant though and that will be punished by better sides.
On the other scrum-half options in Ireland, Conor Murray used to be head and shoulders above all the others but he's regressed quite a bit since he picked up a neck injury in 2018. His understudy at Munster, Craig Casey, certainly has the zip to play the type of game that Farrell wants and I hope Munster bring in a head coach who wants his side to play some rugby as this will definitely benefit their international aspirations. Van Graan's bok-lite rugby at Munster has killed some players' international ambitions down there.
Luke McGrath starts as many matches as JGP for Leinster when they're both fit but his passing accuracy simply isn't good enough for international rugby. A shame because he's a better player than JGP in most other aspects.
Couple of decent options at Connacht in Kieran Marmion and Caolin Blade but their faces don't seem to fit, same with John Cooney of Ulster who was the form scrum-half in the country in 2019 and 2020.
Best prospect is Nathan Doak up at Ulster. Only turned 20 in December, already getting plenty of starts for Ulster due to Cooney's injuries. Looks the heir apparent and certainly is chippy enough. Actually might need to tone it down a bit as he's pissed off some refs in the last couple of matches.
To sum up, Gibson-Park is one of a number of decent but not top-class scrum halfs in Ireland. He's got the jersey at the moment but it wouldn't be a massive surprise if he disappeared off the radar completely if his form dropped a bit.
Great analysis
Thanks
I like Marmion
Ireland - Wales 53:5
