Blues 2022
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@kirwan Actually - that's the one I'm most interested in - who McKendry put higher - Umaga or Kirwan?
I think poor old Jed Rowlands is pretty much bound to come out bottom, especially because he was a long time ago (but had a good team and lost them), and Frank is dead so won't get upset at his ranking.
@chris-b said in Blues 2022:
@kirwan Actually - that's the one I'm most interested in - who McKendry put higher - Umaga or Kirwan?
I think poor old Jed Rowlands is pretty much bound to come out bottom, especially because he was a long time ago (but had a good team and lost them), and Frank is dead so won't get upset at his ranking.
Look at the stats Duluth put together, Umaga lost more games than Kirwan and has the worst winning percentage against Kiwi teams - and winning isn't that the point of sport?
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@chris-b said in Blues 2022:
@tim An amusing idea by McKendry. I can't read it and had to refer to Wikipedia to recall all 10. I'd guess something like:
Henry
Sloane
Hunter
MacDonald
Lam
Nucifora
Umaga
Kirwan
Oliver
RowlandsUmaga too high, statistically one of the worst if not the worst.
@kirwan said in Blues 2022:
@chris-b said in Blues 2022:
@tim An amusing idea by McKendry. I can't read it and had to refer to Wikipedia to recall all 10. I'd guess something like:
Henry
Sloane
Hunter
MacDonald
Lam
Nucifora
Umaga
Kirwan
Oliver
RowlandsUmaga too high, statistically one of the worst if not the worst.
Umaga/Kirwan are the bottom who cares about splitting them. Three years of failure for both of them. Then the single season coaches who hit similar lows - Rowlands and Oliver
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@chris-b said in Blues 2022:
@kirwan Actually - that's the one I'm most interested in - who McKendry put higher - Umaga or Kirwan?
I think poor old Jed Rowlands is pretty much bound to come out bottom, especially because he was a long time ago (but had a good team and lost them), and Frank is dead so won't get upset at his ranking.
Look at the stats Duluth put together, Umaga lost more games than Kirwan and has the worst winning percentage against Kiwi teams - and winning isn't that the point of sport?
@kirwan Though the Blues Wiki page has Tana mildly more successful overall. Duluth's probably right.
I'm a bit swayed by watching JK occasionally on Reunion. Going off on wild tangents at the drop of a hat. If he was anything like that as a coach (and I suspect he probably was) the players would have had no idea what they were supposed to be doing.
Tana might get a bit of redemption on Leon's coattails.
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@kirwan Though the Blues Wiki page has Tana mildly more successful overall. Duluth's probably right.
I'm a bit swayed by watching JK occasionally on Reunion. Going off on wild tangents at the drop of a hat. If he was anything like that as a coach (and I suspect he probably was) the players would have had no idea what they were supposed to be doing.
Tana might get a bit of redemption on Leon's coattails.
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@tim I've never seen anything from riccitelli for me to think he is above mitre10
@muddyriver I’m with you on that , don’t like to be critical of a player who has played at a level that I could only dream about but I can’t help think the Canes would have kept Riccitelli if they really rated him.
There’s a couple of players I have seen running around in the last few seasons for me personally that I would have converted into hookers . -
@muddyriver I’m with you on that , don’t like to be critical of a player who has played at a level that I could only dream about but I can’t help think the Canes would have kept Riccitelli if they really rated him.
There’s a couple of players I have seen running around in the last few seasons for me personally that I would have converted into hookers .@steven-harris said in Blues 2022:
There’s a couple of players I have seen running around in the last few seasons for me personally that I would have converted into hookers
Who? Niko Jones?
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@steven-harris said in Blues 2022:
There’s a couple of players I have seen running around in the last few seasons for me personally that I would have converted into hookers
Who? Niko Jones?
@duluth , your a mind reader as Niko Jones was one player I was thinking about especially given the dearth of loose forward talent we have .. wearing my Taniwha hat Matt Matich always plays a solid game he always gives 100% and is accurate on the tackle is great on the carry but has never quite made it to super level ..being cast as loose forward utility I suspect has not helped him ..still plenty to offer but it might be a little late .
Also Jacob Matiu who played number 8 for Northland , he’s got something you can’t coach , absolute mongrel ..was the Auckland club player of the year when suburbs won the Gallagher shield under Charlie McAlister ..
The problem that I suspect that holds Matiu back as number 8 is height or lack of ..I would be surprised if he’s 6 foot which is ironic because another player who I reckon would have made a dynamic hooker was Jordon Taufua..another short 8/6 with a ton of mongrel -
You would need to make that transition early in your career, probably once leaving school. Mealamu and Gatland are two past examples of loose forwards becoming hookers. Ollie Norris was a 1st XV no.8 that has made the switch to prop. There is no reason players couldn't do the same for hooker, and spend plenty of time practicing your throwing.
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You would need to make that transition early in your career, probably once leaving school. Mealamu and Gatland are two past examples of loose forwards becoming hookers. Ollie Norris was a 1st XV no.8 that has made the switch to prop. There is no reason players couldn't do the same for hooker, and spend plenty of time practicing your throwing.
@bovidae throwing in would be a massive work on for anybody transitioning on saying that both Asafo Amua and Samisoni Taukei’aho struggled big time at this aspect only a few seasons ago ,so with enough work it’s possible if the player is prepared to overcome that aspect ..
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@bovidae throwing in would be a massive work on for anybody transitioning on saying that both Asafo Amua and Samisoni Taukei’aho struggled big time at this aspect only a few seasons ago ,so with enough work it’s possible if the player is prepared to overcome that aspect ..
@steven-harris Like any skill, throwing needs to be worked on. I've seen enough 1st XV hookers who struggle to throw straight. Hell, Mealamu had issues throughout his AB career. I would think that initially scrummaging would be more of a shock.
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So is Zarn Sullivan out of the 23 for the Blues now.
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So is Zarn Sullivan out of the 23 for the Blues now.
Hard to drop Perofeta after his performance v Chiefs he was outstanding.@chris most probably. With BB starting at 10 you'd think Kneepkens would now fill the 23 spot covering wing and fullback as opposed to Lam who only covers wing. You'd think Tamati Tua/Tele'a and maybe Evans vying for 2 spots at 12 and 22? Then there's Bryce Heem? Or is he injured?
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@chris most probably. With BB starting at 10 you'd think Kneepkens would now fill the 23 spot covering wing and fullback as opposed to Lam who only covers wing. You'd think Tamati Tua/Tele'a and maybe Evans vying for 2 spots at 12 and 22? Then there's Bryce Heem? Or is he injured?
Interesting week coming up!@nogusta said in Blues 2022:
@chris most probably. With BB starting at 10 you'd think Kneepkens would now fill the 23 spot covering wing and fullback as opposed to Lam who only covers wing. You'd think Tamati Tua/Tele'a and maybe Evans vying for 2 spots at 12 and 22? Then there's Bryce Heem? Or is he injured?
Interesting week coming up!Bryce Heem was good last SR season he maybe worth a bench spot.
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Any Blues Fans on here concerned about BB having what I think was a shocker against the Chiefs, and looking really gun shy from contact.
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@chris Hoping it was rustiness but yes, it was terrible viewing watching him yesterday. Will get a better indication next week.
@african-monkey said in Blues 2022:
@chris Hoping it was rustiness but yes, it was terrible viewing watching him yesterday. Will get a better indication next week.
I hope it’s only that.At worst it would be a sad way to end your career.
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Any Blues Fans on here concerned about BB having what I think was a shocker against the Chiefs, and looking really gun shy from contact.
Or is the feeling its first game back he will improve.@chris said in Blues 2022:
Any Blues Fans on here concerned about BB having what I think was a shocker against the Chiefs, and looking really gun shy from contact.
Or is the feeling its first game back he will improve.You'd think he has been doing full contact training sessions though. Surely that would have shown out in those.
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@chris said in Blues 2022:
Any Blues Fans on here concerned about BB having what I think was a shocker against the Chiefs, and looking really gun shy from contact.
Or is the feeling its first game back he will improve.You'd think he has been doing full contact training sessions though. Surely that would have shown out in those.
@crucial said in Blues 2022:
@chris said in Blues 2022:
Any Blues Fans on here concerned about BB having what I think was a shocker against the Chiefs, and looking really gun shy from contact.
Or is the feeling its first game back he will improve.You'd think he has been doing full contact training sessions though. Surely that would have shown out in those.
You would think so,But it did look like he was gun shy.
