Transgender debate, in sport, in general

Victor Meldrew

@kirwan said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@godder you make a good point that our laws allowing people to change sex on their IDs on a whim are stupid.

Political party introduces all-female shortlists for safe parliamentary seats and also allows party members to choose their gender. Men suddenly identify as female and put their names forward for candidate selection in said safe seats.

Happened here 4-5 years back. One wag defended his change of gender saying "he always identified as female on Wednesday"

Catogrande

Some common sense up in Scotland, albeit not from the Government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60435954

booboo

The following is not sport - I think the sport aspect is a specific sub-set of the overall trans debate, but as pointed out above it's difficult to divorce the two - but this seems like the best topic to drop this into.

Following link is to an article by a previously FtM trans person, and her journey through how she convinced herself she was trans and how she realised she wasn't.

Gave me some insight into the motivation for how some people may become trans, and how, once they start they are kept on that path.

TL;DR: socially awkward teen gets on line validation when she convinces herself that all her negative feelings about theyself are because she is not living her true life.

Gets affirmation every step along the way, going behind her parents' backs with teachers, counsellors and treatment specialists who never once question her position and actively encourage her.

After fucking up her late teenage and early twenties she realises she's not blissfully happy, that her feelings may be something different.

Decides to 'de-transition', in this case stop taking the testosterone as thankfully she didn't have surgery. Counselling and therapy she gets at this point is all anti-detrans as she must have been influenced by transphobia, and in fact it is likely she is transphobic herself.

Anyway, realises she was part of the epidemic of Rapid Onset Gender Disporia and is building back her life.

Long read.

Helena

By Any Other Name

The story of my transition and detransition.

Paekakboyz

@catogrande fuuuuck. That is effectively two races going on.

@booboo there was a really interesting thread on Reddit recently about trans folks who had de-transitioned. Some hard to read stories but lots of insights and reflections on internal and external drivers to making changes, right up to surgery etc.

Identity is a hard puzzle to work out at the best of times, let alone as a young person struggling with this stuff on top of 'regular' life. That article booboo shared highlights what lots of us think, that supporting drug treatment and/or surgery on kids is not right. It's like a race to find their final form when they are still developing on all fronts, I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up ffs and I'm a 43 year old Polish wahine!

voodoo

@paekakboyz said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@catogrande fuuuuck. That is effectively two races going on.

@booboo there was a really interesting thread on Reddit recently about trans folks who had de-transitioned. Some hard to read stories but lots of insights and reflections on internal and external drivers to making changes, right up to surgery etc.

Identity is a hard puzzle to work out at the best of times, let alone as a young person struggling with this stuff on top of 'regular' life. That article booboo shared highlights what lots of us think, that supporting drug treatment and/or surgery on kids is not right. It's like a race to find their final form when they are still developing on all fronts, I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up ffs and I'm a 43 year old Polish wahine!

You just be you, sister

Kid Chocolate

Penn State’s Lea Thomas wins NCAA National Championship 500 yard freestyle (that’s an unusual distance, isn’t it?), obliterates her competition and smashes the womens national record.

Congratulations Lea, You Did It!

booboo

@kid-chocolate Lia

antipodean

@booboo said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@kid-chocolate Lia

I think accuracy in name is the least of the problems.

MajorRage

Catogrande

@majorrage

Glad she managed to get balls in there

Bones

@catogrande said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@majorrage

Glad she managed to get balls in there

Very liberal of you.

Catogrande

@bones said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@catogrande said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@majorrage

Glad she managed to get balls in there

Very liberal of you.

I’m going for cross gender appeal. Let me know if it’s working.

Bones

@catogrande said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@bones said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@catogrande said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@majorrage

Glad she managed to get balls in there

Very liberal of you.

I’m going for cross gender appeal. Let me know if it’s working.

I'm not cross at all.

booboo

@antipodean said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@booboo said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@kid-chocolate Lia

I think accuracy in name is the least of the problems.

You could argue otherwise

Kid Chocolate

@antipodean said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@booboo said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:

@kid-chocolate Lia

I think accuracy in name is the least of the problems.

Last thing I want to do is get on wrong side of my LGBTQ2++HF allies and spell hir name incorrectly. Could lose me some social credit points and send me to more sensitivity training. Apologies in order. Sorry Lia.