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<p>Owen and Ben Franks!</p>
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<p>I meant apart from them, as I was replying under that. As you were.</p>
<p>Actually I do have a question, and that is when/if SBW returns that might affect selection at 10 (i.e. Cruden having more of a chance)..than say if Fekitoa was selected at 12 that still doesn't (?) tip the chances any more towards Sopoaga.</p> -
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<p>Were the Whitlocks the only other recent brothers?</p>
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<p>I'm late to this thread, but would it be Zinzan and Robin in the late 90's?</p> -
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<p>Were the Whitlocks the only other recent brothers?</p>
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<p>Laulalas and Gears, like the Whitelocks, did not play together and are the only ones that fall into the Hansen/Henry eta. The Maugers mentioned earlier were in the same 22 but Aaron didn't come off the bench.</p>
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<p><strong>Laulalas</strong> and Gears, like the Whitelocks, did not play together and are the only ones that fall into the Hansen/Henry eta. The Maugers mentioned earlier were in the same 22 but Aaron didn't come off the bench.</p>
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<p>After that you are back to the Bookes, Bachops, Coopers etc.</p>
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<p>Wow, I never realized those two were brothers.........</p>
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<p>The mighty Scots had two sets of brothers in the same backline as recently as five or six years ago when the Lamonts and Evans's were tearing up all before them ( I may have exaggerated that last bit....)</p>
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<p>Interesting how few played together though, would be cool if Ardie and Julian managed this, looks a given within a couple of weeks. Rico was long gone by the time Hosea came on the scene if I recall correctly.</p> -
<p>well, this is all very sedate really isn't it? The first AB squad of a new era, a few newbies replacing all-time greats, and the level of discussion barely gets above "meh"</p>
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<p>Are we as AB supporters just more mature now? Have we become so sure of success we don't care who puts on the jersey? Or have the selectors and coaches built up such a level of goodwill we just trust that they are right? Or is it just that the selectors have done such a good job of bringing guys through we know that the first 23 are all proven test performers already?</p>
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<p>There are a couple of selections that in the past would have at least some people blowing up, but even provincial rivalries can't generate any spite. I think Luatua is extremely hard done by, but then i think Liam Squire could be moulded into a weapon as well. I think Taminavalu is a bit rubbish, but has Moala really been playing better? Who the fuck is Franklin?</p>
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<p>well, this is all very sedate really isn't it? The first AB squad of a new era, a few newbies replacing all-time greats, and the level of discussion barely gets above "meh"</p>
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<p>Are we as AB supporters just more mature now? Have we become so sure of success we don't care who puts on the jersey? Or have the selectors and coaches built up such a level of goodwill we just trust that they are right? Or is it just that the selectors have done such a good job of bringing guys through we know that the first 23 are all proven test performers already?</p>
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<p>There are a couple of selections that in the past would have at least some people blowing up, but even provincial rivalries can't generate any spite. I think Luatua is extremely hard done by,<strong> but then i think Liam Squire could be moulded into a weapon as well</strong>. I think Taminavalu is a bit rubbish, but has Moala really been playing better? Who the fuck is Franklin?</p>
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<p>I think i miss selectorial shitfights. </p>
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<p>What is it that he brings to the table ? I must confess to not watching a single Highlanders game this year.</p> -
<p>Strong, quick, aggressive, and runs good lines. Has many rough edges, but i like him. Was gutted the Chiefs lost him</p>
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<p>Strong, quick, aggressive, and runs good lines. Has many rough edges, but i like him. Was gutted the Chiefs lost him</p>
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<p>So basically the player that the hype machine would have us believe that Luke Whitelock is ?</p> -
He's a unit, and a tackle breaker who can offload. He's also quite fast. Early in the season he was going crazy, then got injured. Has been good since coming back but perhaps no as dynamic.<br><br>
I'd imagine that they see his size and skills and are wondering if he can bring that at the next level.<br><br>
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<p>Are we as AB supporters just more mature now? Have we become so sure of success we don't care who puts on the jersey? Or have the selectors and coaches built up such a level of goodwill we just trust that they are right? Or is it just that the selectors have done such a good job of bringing guys through we know that the first 23 are all proven test performers already?</p>
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<p>More than anything the stakes are so low. They are back-to-back World Champions about to play a three test series against a struggling Wales and there are no World Cup implications being 4 years out.</p>
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<p>Lose a game and stare down the barrel of losing the Bledisloe or losing a home series to Wales and we will see how mature we have become.</p> -
<p>There's a perverse side of me that almost wants that to happen, just to kick it all off. </p>
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<p>I very much doubt the players will have any complacency, unlike like the media and some fans!</p>
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<p>What about from the Welsh player's perspective?</p>
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<p>All they need to do is win one game and the whole tour is a success with. (<em>All</em> is a bit disingenuous, but compared to winning the series...)</p>
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<p>If they lose a game, it's really just a case of brush that off look at what to do next game and go for it. Everyone makes all their tackles, the kicker gets the penalties the ref hands out and they could be going home heroes after losing the series 2-1</p>
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<p>This series could be deemed a no win situation fort he ABs unless the team focus on processes and performance. Internal motivation will be key.</p> -
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<p>He's a unit, and a tackle breaker who can offload. He's also quite fast. Early in the season he was going crazy, then got injured. Has been good since coming back but perhaps no as dynamic.<br><br>
I'd imagine that they see his size and skills and are wondering if he can bring that at the next level.<br><br>
Edit: snap M4L.</p>
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<p>He'd better be careful of the Zinzan Brooke style mullet though. Zinny only thrived in the ABs once he got rid of it and Jason Eatons AB career is a cautionary tale.</p> -
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What is it that he brings to the table ? I must confess to not watching a single Highlanders game this year.</p></blockquote>
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<p>You been too busy watching 1996 S12 on YouTube?</p>
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<p>I remember Marty "Chuck" Berry bumping off Goldie Wilson to score for the Canes vs Landers like it was yesterday.....</p> -
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<p>Ngatai out with COncussions symptoms not yet resolved and Moala in</p>
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<p>that is a big concern for his long term wellbeing!</p>
