Steve Tew: New Zealand ready for a gay All Black
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<p>I think I must be a bit of a reluctant conservative in this regard, because if my son was homosexual, I would struggle with it. I would get over it, and I wouldnt ever let him know .. but I would be a bit wierded out by it. Doesnt make any logical sense, but them the breaks. </p>
<p>Of course him and his partner would be welcome in the house and made to feel welcome.. but I wouldn't like to see them displaying PDA. Of course that would be my fault and issue, but meh, hopefully he would understand.</p>
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<p>I get that, I think I would be very similar. At the end of the day he's still your child and deserves your love and support.</p>
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<p>Except of course if he becomes a green mp or starts supporting Canterbury/Auckland. Then I'd disown him.</p> -
<p>If I had kids, the gender of a special friend they brought home would be the last thing in the world to concern me, but that could be cos I've had my bi times.</p>
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<p>I'd be dangling the shotgun until assured the friend was a person of good character, gainfully employed, and made my kid happy.</p> -
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<p>If I had kids, the gender of a special friend they brought home would be the last thing in the world to concern me, but that could be cos I've had my bi times.</p>
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<p>I'd be dangling the shotgun until assured the friend was a person of good character, gainfully employed, and made my kid happy.</p>
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<p>If I had kids, the gender of a special friend they brought home would be the last thing in the world to concern me, but that could be cos<strong> I've had my bi times</strong>.</p>
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<p>I'd be dangling the shotgun until assured the friend was a person of good character, gainfully employed, and made my kid happy.</p>
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<p>It's more likely to be at the 11 end of those figures than 120 I reckon . For most of the abs history it's been a crime to be gay in NZ for a start.</p>
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<p>So if they didn't come out due to being criminalised that doesn't count as gay?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="584725" data-time="1464836266">
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<p>I think I must be a bit of a reluctant conservative in this regard, because if my son was homosexual, I would struggle with it. I would get over it, and I wouldnt ever let him know .. but I would be a bit wierded out by it. Doesnt make any logical sense, but them the breaks. </p>
<p>Of course him and his partner would be welcome in the house and made to feel welcome.. but I wouldn't like to see them displaying PDA. Of course that would be my fault and issue, but meh, hopefully he would understand.</p>
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<p>Are people PDA'ing infront of their inlaws nowadays? Its not normally that comfortable watching anyone chowing down on a tongue sandwich is it? I hate to say it but I think you are normal enough, and no one is that comfortable watching their kid fill their boots with their partner. </p> -
<p>Thailand is a society where basically no one gives a flying fuck about homosexuality. For sure the place is plagued with other ridiculous forms of prejudice but first residing there at the start of the century and teaching secondary school age it was at first puzzling and then heartening to see that "school kid hassling" on the basis of homosexuality carried no real currency.</p>
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<p>Teaching at an all boys school, the gay kids just naturally emerged at about puberty, and while we called them "girls" on occasion, there was no hate involved, no prejudice, no animosity. It was almost equivalent to us judging people based on "he's good at sport, he's good at drawing, he's good at music etc"</p>
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<p>It was refreshing. Needless to say the gay students (again I must stress that they had no need to hide any behaviour, didn't even think about it. They just grew into what they are) were mainly delightful little human beings. Eager to learn, creative and practical, and they had heaps of cool coloured pens :)</p>
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<p>The other kids couldn't give a fuck. Actually the only time it was brought up was by me trying to be cool in front of the class. The kids all got the neanderthal way I was teasing (playfully, to get a laugh) but everything was well mannered. The tough kids looked after the less tough ones and never was sexuality an issue.</p>
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<p>I talked to fathers of gay boys and they didn't bat an eyelid and loved their kids for all they were (I know, why shouldn't they eh).</p>
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<p>Now, the point of this anecdote isn't to cast an opinion on what people have said but just to point out how culturally man made these major issues in society are and how pretty ridiculous they are with a simple mind shift of "it ain't how you're made, it's what you do that defines you".</p>
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<p>It was funny and heartening coming from homophobic NZ to a country which had already gotten over all the "homo shit and prejudice". It's pretty easy to do and as MR said, you know you have when the who;e issue ceases to be a talking point (headline, major news item).</p>
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<p>Also, NZ and Aus (to name a few) have MASSIVE sexuality hang ups - stemming from Victorian England IMO </p> -
<p>A lot of the luggage we (Brits and colonials) carry is a hang up from Victorian morality.</p>
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<p>The Industrial Revolution was an amazing achievement but what a massive bunch of fluffybunnies that lot turned out to be.</p> -
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<p>My mate told me he met a gay carpenter once - he always left a saw behind.</p>
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<p>A lot of the luggage we (Brits and colonials) carry is a hang up from Victorian morality.</p>
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<p>The Industrial Revolution was an amazing achievement but what a massive bunch of fluffybunnys that lot turned out to be.</p>
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<p>Veering off topic, but it's a "meh" topic anyway</p>
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<p>One thing in I spotted in Asia that I can't reconcile (and therefore I attribute to Victorian hang ups) is picking your nose in public.</p>
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<p>What's more natural and practical than clearing an airway when the need arises? Yet ask any "westerner" and they'll tell you it's disgusting, probably while scratching their head, balls or arse.</p>
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<p>I revelled in PDE's - public displays of excavation.</p>
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<p>Spitting, sure it spreads disease, but nose picking fulfils a purpose to aid breathing. </p>
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<p>Elbows on the table AND picking your nose? A sharp slap to the back of the head will cure anyone of that.</p>
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<p>To be honest I don't see the problem with, ahem, clearing the airways. I do dislike though any form of public inspection or consuming of the contents. I do not see the merit in either.</p> -
<p>The Victorian era was seriously fucked up when it came to sex, almost two extremes, one exploring all the kinky shit and the other totally puritan, like passing laws such as the Contagious Diseases Act where women could be accused of prostitution just walking down the street, 'examined' and sent to a mental hospital until they were 'cured'.</p>
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<p>It's not really a wonder that the Victorian mentality embedded itself in NZ culture, that was the time a huge amount of migrants came over.</p>
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<p>Just weird that a mindset from 150+ years ago is still so damned prevalent.</p> -
<p>Sort of, tell a lie for long enough and it becomes the accepted truth.</p>
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<p>The Victorian era was seriously fucked up when it came to sex, almost two extremes, one exploring all the kinky shit and the other totally puritan, like passing laws such as the Contagious Diseases Act where women could be accused of prostitution just walking down the street, 'examined' and sent to a mental hospital until they were 'cured'.</p>
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<p>It's not really a wonder that the Victorian mentality embedded itself in NZ culture, that was the time a huge amount of migrants came over.</p>
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<p>Just weird that a mindset from 150+ years ago is still so damned prevalent.</p>
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<p>Veering off topic, but it's a "meh" topic anyway</p>
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<p>One thing in I spotted in Asia that I can't reconcile (and therefore I attribute to Victorian hang ups) is picking your nose in public.</p>
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<p>What's more natural and practical than clearing an airway when the need arises? Yet ask any "westerner" and they'll tell you it's disgusting, probably while scratching their head, balls or arse.</p>
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<p>Taiwanese don't really suppress their burps or farts (at least the men don't) - natural bodily function.</p>
<p>When you get your food, at the house at least, no need to wait for everyone, just start eating. </p>
<p>Also being forced to sit at the table and chat - chat if you want to, otherwise, do your own thing.</p> -
I immediately covered my kids' ears whilst watching TV in January when a man claimed that an offensive tackle had slipped into a tight end. But then I realised I was watching the NFL playoffs.<br><br>
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<p>I immediately covered my kids' ears whilst watching TV in January when a man claimed that an offensive tackle had slipped into a tight end. But then I realised I was watching the NFL playoffs.<br><br>
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<p>Taiwanese don't really suppress their burps or farts (at least the men don't) - natural bodily function.</p>
<p>When you get your food, at the house at least, no need to wait for everyone, just start eating. </p>
<p>Also being forced to sit at the table and chat - chat if you want to, otherwise, do your own thing.</p>
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<p>One thing I could never get my head around living in Taiwan - women who wore perfume or deodorant during the day, were considered whorish. OMG. I was fortunate in the subways being taller than most everyone, so at least I could breathe some fresher air.</p>
