Nations Championship?
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@Stargazer said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
Article about the negotiations taking place about changes to the global season, more and more meaningful test matches for nations outside the Six Nations and Rugby Championship, (changes to the international window for the women's Six Nations,) following the failed attempts to agree on a World League Tournament, last year.
Although mentioned, this is not about the 6 Nations becoming 7 Nations.
The first significant step will come next month, when the World Rugby workshop, established to explore the identifying key principles of a potential and sustainable global competition model for teams outside of the Six Nations and Rugby Championship, is due to report its findings. There have to be conversations with the clubs and the players' unions. Questions remain about the future of the summer tours, tier-two competitions and emerging nations. Japan's future will be a key cog in establishing the new world order. The ambition is for the new competition to be in place by 2021, and the model will go to the World Rugby council meeting in May. That piece of the jigsaw would pave the way for a potential new tournament for the autumn Tests in Europe involving the top sides in both the northern and southern hemispheres, based on finishing positions from the Six Nations and Rugby Championship. Just a year after the collapse of the world league, it seems international rugby is finally ready to change..
There's some stories you see over and and over and over again and you know nothing ever happens . This is one of them.
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The World Nations Championship is being discussed again
‘A global champion every two years’: Push for world Test competition
SANZAAR and the Six Nations driving a renewed push for a global rugby championship.
- Two division global championship held every two years (not World Cup or British & Irish Lions)
- Six Nations and Rugby Championship nations plus two extra from south (eg. Fiji and Japan) in top division
- Emerging nations in second division
- Promotion and relegation still key pillar
- Accrue competition points for Six Nations and Rugby Championship Tests, plus Tests in July and November windows
- Potential fourth week in November for championship final
- July inbound tours to south go from three-Test tours by northern hemisphere nations to three different nations playing against each host nation
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@duluth said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
The World Nations Championship is being discussed again
SANZAAR and the Six Nations driving a renewed push for a global rugby championship.
- Two division global championship held every two years (not World Cup or British & Irish Lions)
- Six Nations and Rugby Championship nations plus two extra from south (eg. Fiji and Japan) in top division
- Emerging nations in second division
- Promotion and relegation still key pillar
- Accrue competition points for Six Nations and Rugby Championship Tests, plus Tests in July and November windows
- Potential fourth week in November for championship final
- July inbound tours to south go from three-Test tours by northern hemisphere nations to three different nations playing against each host nation
I like the idea of 3 different nations on tour here, really don’t like having the same team 3 times. But how will points work, 6 nations is play each other once, will the RC become the same? Italy will be in and out of the 6N like the Assyrian Empire! Say, Italy lose in 24, get demoted. So whomever tops emerging nations goes into 6 N for 25 and 26? In 26 they lose, obviously, and Italy comes back for 27, 28. Rinse and repeat. Same for Fiji down here.
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Yeah lots of details to be worked out. Which is why this probably fails again
I do like the general concept though. Every nation will have a decent Test schedule. Those Tests will be meaningful.. I hate the constant 'building for the RWC' four year cycle that Test rugby has at the moment
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Relegation and promotion in both the southern and northern divisions would also be part of the competition, although this would not affect the structure of the Six Nations.
Keen to see an explanation of the bolded bit.
The relegation/promotion aspect of the competition would allow nations such as Samoa and Tonga to play their way into the top division in the southern hemisphere, likely at the expense of Fiji or Japan.
These playoffs would also take place in the last weekend of November, creating a clear pathway for emerging nations while making sure there was a level of drama that doesn’t exist at present.So relegation to and promotion from what in the Southern hemisphere? Will there be a 2nd division? Or will they use the Pacific Nations Championship for that (Tonga, Samoa, USA and Canada?)
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@Stargazer said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
Relegation and promotion in both the southern and northern divisions would also be part of the competition, although this would not affect the structure of the Six Nations.
Keen to see an explanation of the bolded bit.
The relegation/promotion aspect of the competition would allow nations such as Samoa and Tonga to play their way into the top division in the southern hemisphere, likely at the expense of Fiji or Japan.
These playoffs would also take place in the last weekend of November, creating a clear pathway for emerging nations while making sure there was a level of drama that doesn’t exist at present.So relegation to and promotion from what in the Southern hemisphere? Will there be a 2nd division? Or will they use the Pacific Nations Championship for that (Tonga, Samoa, USA and Canada?)
My read of that is the divisions are seperate from the competitions, and only the divisions have promotion and relegation.
So Italy could drop to division 2 of the global championship but still be in the six nations.
Same scenerio for the rugby champtionship.
Be a challenge to make the schedule work to accomodate individual comps, the global champs, lions then a world cup.
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@Machpants said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
I'll believe this all when I see it, lots of jaw jaw, not much results.
World Rugby's motto, I think
This is the time to make a change, with so much disruption to rugby in the past few years, never been a better time to consider a fairer structure for all countries, not just the traditional strongholds.
Even as I typed that out my optimism slid away. No way Wales, Ireland, Scotland, etc vote for a comp structure that threatens the status quo.
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@Kirwan said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
@Stargazer said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
Relegation and promotion in both the southern and northern divisions would also be part of the competition, although this would not affect the structure of the Six Nations.
Keen to see an explanation of the bolded bit.
The relegation/promotion aspect of the competition would allow nations such as Samoa and Tonga to play their way into the top division in the southern hemisphere, likely at the expense of Fiji or Japan.
These playoffs would also take place in the last weekend of November, creating a clear pathway for emerging nations while making sure there was a level of drama that doesn’t exist at present.So relegation to and promotion from what in the Southern hemisphere? Will there be a 2nd division? Or will they use the Pacific Nations Championship for that (Tonga, Samoa, USA and Canada?)
My read of that is the divisions are seperate from the competitions, and only the divisions have promotion and relegation.
So Italy could drop to division 2 of the global championship but still be in the six nations.
Same scenerio for the rugby champtionship.
Be a challenge to make the schedule work to accomodate individual comps, the global champs, lions then a world cup.
so basically formaliding the "tiers"? if its not actual competition then i dont see the point
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@Kiwiwomble not how I read it, just seperate comps.
Being in div 1 or 2 makes no difference to your particpation of the six nations.
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Play 3 Nations of opposite hemisphere each touring window. Same as now except will always be the same 6, 3 at home, 3 over seas. So, say we get Ireland, Scotland, & Wales in July, then play England, France, and Italy in November. Then it seems 1st v 1st, 2nd v 2nd play of in Nov, obviously in NH cos that's where they all are. Maybe a double header. That will require another international weekend.
I don't think the RC, 6N count towards it.
Looks like the second division won't be up and running even if this does, i2024. This means no tier 2 teams, aside from Japan & Fiji, get to play tier 1 every second year, at least until second division starts up.
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i know it would kill NZ Rugby
but
part of me would like to see far less international rugby
I just started reading a book about the ABs v the Boks, and the thought of waiting 5 years to avenge a loss as a certain romantic appeal, and would certainly bring back some passion and interest.
I'm not suggesting waiting 8 years, but certainly every other year would be pretty sweet.Anyway, i know i am probably alone in this, and i am well aware it has zero chance of ever being a thing. Just musing out loud.
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@mariner4life you are not wrong though...less is more
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@taniwharugby said in World League Rugby / Nations Championship:
@mariner4life you are not wrong though...less is more
Except when it comes to money, in which case less is NZ rugby broke and fucked
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There's a lot more information in this article... But yes, Six Nations/TRC games are irrelevant, only the July/November windows would affect the two divisions.
Sounds like while it would result in Div 2 teams getting shafted during the two years of the actual competition, there'd be greater opportunities to play (understrength) NH teams during the Lions series (e.g. England might travel to Samoa). Still sounds like an overall downgrade in terms of inter-tier matches but it would still be great to see Tonga play Uruguay regularly etc.
There's a lot of talk surrounding how it will significantly increase commercial interest but it's hard to say what that's based on.
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So in simple terms each SH side plays the NH sides once. The NH sides play each SH side once.
There would be a ladder with 12 teams and the top two sides after the 6 games play the grand final. So it's entirely possible two SH or two NH sides could play the final.
The bottom team from the NH and SH plays a promotion relegation game same weekend I guess as grand final.
