EPL 2021 / 2022
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@mariner4life Brendan Rogers did pretty good too then - given the cattle he had to work with.
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@mariner4life Brendan Rogers did pretty good too then - given the cattle he had to work with.
he's a good manager that's why. Just not quite good enough.
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@MajorRage Couldn't agree less. Real for me epitomise everything wrong with football. The whole Galacticos bullshit, the ongoing pursuit of the ESL concept, the fact that they are effectively bankrupt several times over but still seem to be able to restructure loans at will in order to buy the latest shiny thing.
Liverpool are no saints but Real as a club stinks.
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@MajorRage Couldn't agree less. Real for me epitomise everything wrong with football. The whole Galacticos bullshit, the ongoing pursuit of the ESL concept, the fact that they are effectively bankrupt several times over but still seem to be able to restructure loans at will in order to buy the latest shiny thing.
Liverpool are no saints but Real as a club stinks.
Good for you. I actually agree with you for the most part so I think you must only be disagreeing with me on supporting Real in the final.
My reasons for not liking Liverpool are well document and I got bored of that fishing trip a while ago. Did dine out on it for a number of years though.
@mariner4life said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Just to ram home what Klopp has done at Liverpool, this was the lineup for his first game
Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Lucas, Can, Coutinho, Lallana, Origi, Milner. On the bench: Bogdan, Toure, Allen, Sinclair, Texiera and Randall.
That, right there, is why Liverpool were a "UEFA Cup spots" team for a fair while.
It also underpins exactly what Klopp has done. He's changed almost the entire team.
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well thankfully all the "omagerd quadruple" talk can go as Liverpool draw, and then City smack 5 past Newcastle to take a stranglehold on the league.
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@KiwiPie Thanks I have subscribed to that pod. Russell King sure is a strange story.
The other seasons - Allen Stanford and Shergar look interesting too.After all there's only so many pod episodes about Fulham's Championship glory I can listen to (actually that's not true I'm sure I may missed one somewhere)
Listened to Allan Stanford story but not Shergar (yet)
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Indeed Pep, indeed ....
@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Indeed Pep, indeed ....
I do feel a bit for Pep because he's done amazing things with City but everyone's completely focused on Liverpool's (now moribund) quad, plus United's collapse. It's simply a case of ears and eyeballs for broadcasters, however.
That said, I can't believe for a second that the entire country wants Liverpool to do well - there's a massive contingent of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and other "neutral" fans who can't wait for Liverpool to lose their Cup Finals.
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@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Indeed Pep, indeed ....
I do feel a bit for Pep because he's done amazing things with City but everyone's completely focused on Liverpool's (now moribund) quad, plus United's collapse. It's simply a case of ears and eyeballs for broadcasters, however.
That said, I can't believe for a second that the entire country wants Liverpool to do well - there's a massive contingent of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and other "neutral" fans who can't wait for Liverpool to lose their Cup Finals.
@junior said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Indeed Pep, indeed ....
I do feel a bit for Pep because he's done amazing things with City but everyone's completely focused on Liverpool's (now moribund) quad, plus United's collapse. It's simply a case of ears and eyeballs for broadcasters, however.
That said, I can't believe for a second that the entire country wants Liverpool to do well - there's a massive contingent of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and other "neutral" fans who can't wait for Liverpool to lose their Cup Finals.
He obviously doesn't mean literally. There is a pro-Liverpool slant to most reporting though, that is unequivocal. Yes, a fair bit of that has been excitement about the potential for an unprecedented quadruple trophy season (even my Dutch colleagues were talking about it), but even in standard times, Liverpool are quite fondly written of. Half of sky sports punditry are openly very pro Liverpool.
It's part of the reason why Chelsea fans like I, throughly enjoy watching them lose. Something that hasn't happened often of late ...
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@MajorRage said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
Indeed Pep, indeed ....
I do feel a bit for Pep because he's done amazing things with City but everyone's completely focused on Liverpool's (now moribund) quad, plus United's collapse. It's simply a case of ears and eyeballs for broadcasters, however.
That said, I can't believe for a second that the entire country wants Liverpool to do well - there's a massive contingent of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and other "neutral" fans who can't wait for Liverpool to lose their Cup Finals.
@junior said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
That said, I can't believe for a second that the entire country wants Liverpool to do well - there's a massive contingent of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and other "neutral" fans who can't wait for Liverpool to lose their Cup Finals.
Not to mention all of the supporters of lower league teams who want to see ALL of the big clubs doing badly.
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@junior said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
That said, I can't believe for a second that the entire country wants Liverpool to do well - there's a massive contingent of United, Chelsea, Arsenal and other "neutral" fans who can't wait for Liverpool to lose their Cup Finals.
Not to mention all of the supporters of lower league teams who want to see ALL of the big clubs doing badly.
@KiwiPie plus the Blue half of Liverpool.
Man City are arrivistes and are unpopular because (like Chelsea before them) they are a traditionally second tier - as in just below the elite not second Division - who many believe undeservedly bought their success.
So fans of the 'elite' clubs resent them gatecrashing their cozy little club and other clubs with ambitions deride them as Citeh / Chelski while secretly wishing they had a sugar daddy to'buy' them success. The most recent expression of this is the Newcastle fans circumlocutions to avoid having to confront how unsavoury their new owners are. If they are honest all these other little character clubs would do a deal with the devil if it guaranteed then top six security ad infinitum.
then as @Kiwipie points out the majority of the English football pyramid loathes them all.
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Getting closer to finalising this transfer.
https://twitter.com/ManCity/status/1524034164835639297?s=20&t=fzH-bQ1AH21j_Eg2_ns3cg
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City, with the pressure slightly relieved, have crushed another opposition, and now have one hand and 3 fingers on the premier league
if Haaland maintains his standards next year, holy shit you might need 100 points to win the league instead of the probable 96 to win this year
phenomenal team.
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@KiwiPie plus the Blue half of Liverpool.
Man City are arrivistes and are unpopular because (like Chelsea before them) they are a traditionally second tier - as in just below the elite not second Division - who many believe undeservedly bought their success.
So fans of the 'elite' clubs resent them gatecrashing their cozy little club and other clubs with ambitions deride them as Citeh / Chelski while secretly wishing they had a sugar daddy to'buy' them success. The most recent expression of this is the Newcastle fans circumlocutions to avoid having to confront how unsavoury their new owners are. If they are honest all these other little character clubs would do a deal with the devil if it guaranteed then top six security ad infinitum.
then as @Kiwipie points out the majority of the English football pyramid loathes them all.
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@KiwiPie plus the Blue half of Liverpool.
Man City are arrivistes and are unpopular because (like Chelsea before them) they are a traditionally second tier - as in just below the elite not second Division - who many believe undeservedly bought their success.
So fans of the 'elite' clubs resent them gatecrashing their cozy little club and other clubs with ambitions deride them as Citeh / Chelski while secretly wishing they had a sugar daddy to'buy' them success. The most recent expression of this is the Newcastle fans circumlocutions to avoid having to confront how unsavoury their new owners are. If they are honest all these other little character clubs would do a deal with the devil if it guaranteed then top six security ad infinitum.
then as @Kiwipie points out the majority of the English football pyramid loathes them all.
City are definitely resented for becoming successful due to money injected having not been a traditional powerhouse - same with Chelsea. Liverpool have bought a lot of players in the last few years but don't get the same resentment. Liverpool's transfer business has been great, especially for their forwards Mane, Salah, Jota and Diaz - moderate prices for modern times and they have also moved on Solanke, Brewster etc for decent money. City seem to target particular players and then spend whatever it takes to get them, Liverpool look for value except for the absolute key players like VvD.
Klopp can pretty much rest all his key players for the final 2 EPL games if City win on Sunday given Liverpool have the FA Cup this weekend. If City lose or even draw with West Ham then it is all on for the final day.
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City, with the pressure slightly relieved, have crushed another opposition, and now have one hand and 3 fingers on the premier league
if Haaland maintains his standards next year, holy shit you might need 100 points to win the league instead of the probable 96 to win this year
phenomenal team.
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@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@KiwiPie plus the Blue half of Liverpool.
Man City are arrivistes and are unpopular because (like Chelsea before them) they are a traditionally second tier - as in just below the elite not second Division - who many believe undeservedly bought their success.
So fans of the 'elite' clubs resent them gatecrashing their cozy little club and other clubs with ambitions deride them as Citeh / Chelski while secretly wishing they had a sugar daddy to'buy' them success. The most recent expression of this is the Newcastle fans circumlocutions to avoid having to confront how unsavoury their new owners are. If they are honest all these other little character clubs would do a deal with the devil if it guaranteed then top six security ad infinitum.
then as @Kiwipie points out the majority of the English football pyramid loathes them all.
City are definitely resented for becoming successful due to money injected having not been a traditional powerhouse - same with Chelsea. Liverpool have bought a lot of players in the last few years but don't get the same resentment. Liverpool's transfer business has been great, especially for their forwards Mane, Salah, Jota and Diaz - moderate prices for modern times and they have also moved on Solanke, Brewster etc for decent money. City seem to target particular players and then spend whatever it takes to get them, Liverpool look for value except for the absolute key players like VvD.
Klopp can pretty much rest all his key players for the final 2 EPL games if City win on Sunday given Liverpool have the FA Cup this weekend. If City lose or even draw with West Ham then it is all on for the final day.
@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
City are definitely resented for becoming successful due to money injected having not been a traditional powerhouse - same with Chelsea. Liverpool have bought a lot of players in the last few years but don't get the same resentment. Liverpool's transfer business has been great, especially for their forwards Mane, Salah, Jota and Diaz - moderate prices for modern times and they have also moved on Solanke, Brewster etc for decent money.
Solanke was a great buy for Bournemouth, if it wasn't for Mr cheat code from Fulham he would have topped the championship goal scoring list
Buying players from Liverpool have proven value for others too -
@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
City are definitely resented for becoming successful due to money injected having not been a traditional powerhouse - same with Chelsea. Liverpool have bought a lot of players in the last few years but don't get the same resentment. Liverpool's transfer business has been great, especially for their forwards Mane, Salah, Jota and Diaz - moderate prices for modern times and they have also moved on Solanke, Brewster etc for decent money.
Solanke was a great buy for Bournemouth, if it wasn't for Mr cheat code from Fulham he would have topped the championship goal scoring list
Buying players from Liverpool have proven value for others tooHarry Wilson has been great for Fulham this season too.
Hoping Neco Williams will be next year...
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@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
City are definitely resented for becoming successful due to money injected having not been a traditional powerhouse - same with Chelsea. Liverpool have bought a lot of players in the last few years but don't get the same resentment. Liverpool's transfer business has been great, especially for their forwards Mane, Salah, Jota and Diaz - moderate prices for modern times and they have also moved on Solanke, Brewster etc for decent money.
Solanke was a great buy for Bournemouth, if it wasn't for Mr cheat code from Fulham he would have topped the championship goal scoring list
Buying players from Liverpool have proven value for others too -
Solanke would probably have done even better under a different Manager with a more attacking philosophy, rather than playing keep ball in your own half
@dogmeat lol your parker hate runs deep..29 goals was a good return. I think controlling of possession worked for us mostly as we have bit of speed on the break and with Brooks back that should help too. Will be interesting to see if it works at all next year though
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There is a short video doing the rounds up here (on whatsapp) of a radio show talking about Asthma in the UK. The below webpage summarises it:
Reminds me of the TdF thing where something like 80% of TdF cyclists have asthma. Yeah right.
Not sure how prevalent this is in UK football, or even if the whole thing is bullshit. But I will say, and this is as one of the tiny minority who don't like Liverpool, I'd be looking at the statistics across all PL clubs before pointing the finger.
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@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
City are definitely resented for becoming successful due to money injected having not been a traditional powerhouse - same with Chelsea. Liverpool have bought a lot of players in the last few years but don't get the same resentment. Liverpool's transfer business has been great, especially for their forwards Mane, Salah, Jota and Diaz - moderate prices for modern times and they have also moved on Solanke, Brewster etc for decent money.
Solanke was a great buy for Bournemouth, if it wasn't for Mr cheat code from Fulham he would have topped the championship goal scoring list
Buying players from Liverpool have proven value for others too@bayimports said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
City are definitely resented for becoming successful due to money injected having not been a traditional powerhouse - same with Chelsea. Liverpool have bought a lot of players in the last few years but don't get the same resentment. Liverpool's transfer business has been great, especially for their forwards Mane, Salah, Jota and Diaz - moderate prices for modern times and they have also moved on Solanke, Brewster etc for decent money.
Solanke was a great buy for Bournemouth, if it wasn't for Mr cheat code from Fulham he would have topped the championship goal scoring list
Buying players from Liverpool have proven value for others tooSolanke is going well now but it took a while and not sure if he will make it at the top level and Liverpool got 20 million for him. Brewster went for over 20m quid to Sheff U and has hardly played so far.
Meanwhile in 6 years or so, Klopp has bought
Mane 30 million
Matip Free
Wijnaldum 25m (sold for more)
Salah 34m
Solanke 6m
Robertson 8m
Oxlade-Chamberlain 35m
van Dijk 75m
Fabinho 39m
Keita 52m
Shaqiri 13m
Alisson 56m
Elliott 4m
Minamino 7m
Tsimikas 12m
Thiago 20m
Jota 41m
Konate 36m
DIaz 35mThat's a lot of signings and a clear indication of why they now have so much depth.
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@bayimports said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
City are definitely resented for becoming successful due to money injected having not been a traditional powerhouse - same with Chelsea. Liverpool have bought a lot of players in the last few years but don't get the same resentment. Liverpool's transfer business has been great, especially for their forwards Mane, Salah, Jota and Diaz - moderate prices for modern times and they have also moved on Solanke, Brewster etc for decent money.
Solanke was a great buy for Bournemouth, if it wasn't for Mr cheat code from Fulham he would have topped the championship goal scoring list
Buying players from Liverpool have proven value for others tooSolanke is going well now but it took a while and not sure if he will make it at the top level and Liverpool got 20 million for him. Brewster went for over 20m quid to Sheff U and has hardly played so far.
Meanwhile in 6 years or so, Klopp has bought
Mane 30 million
Matip Free
Wijnaldum 25m (sold for more)
Salah 34m
Solanke 6m
Robertson 8m
Oxlade-Chamberlain 35m
van Dijk 75m
Fabinho 39m
Keita 52m
Shaqiri 13m
Alisson 56m
Elliott 4m
Minamino 7m
Tsimikas 12m
Thiago 20m
Jota 41m
Konate 36m
DIaz 35mThat's a lot of signings and a clear indication of why they now have so much depth.
@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@bayimports said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@KiwiPie said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
@dogmeat said in EPL 2021 / 2022:
City are definitely resented for becoming successful due to money injected having not been a traditional powerhouse - same with Chelsea. Liverpool have bought a lot of players in the last few years but don't get the same resentment. Liverpool's transfer business has been great, especially for their forwards Mane, Salah, Jota and Diaz - moderate prices for modern times and they have also moved on Solanke, Brewster etc for decent money.
Solanke was a great buy for Bournemouth, if it wasn't for Mr cheat code from Fulham he would have topped the championship goal scoring list
Buying players from Liverpool have proven value for others tooSolanke is going well now but it took a while and not sure if he will make it at the top level and Liverpool got 20 million for him. Brewster went for over 20m quid to Sheff U and has hardly played so far.
Meanwhile in 6 years or so, Klopp has bought
Mane 30 million
Matip Free
Wijnaldum 25m (sold for more)
Salah 34m
Solanke 6m
Robertson 8m
Oxlade-Chamberlain 35m
van Dijk 75m
Fabinho 39m
Keita 52m
Shaqiri 13m
Alisson 56m
Elliott 4m
Minamino 7m
Tsimikas 12m
Thiago 20m
Jota 41m
Konate 36m
DIaz 35mThat's a lot of signings and a clear indication of why they now have so much depth.
Relative wise, Salah was an absolute bargain.
I remember being rather surprised at the time at the cost of van Dijk, but I'd argue that's been the best signing. It's certainly been the one that in my opinion has brought the most success.
If pundit's weren't so obsessed with giving the award to Messi, he'd have a Ballon D'Or as well to show for it.
