All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
so the mix in teh forwards is:
Three locks (okay)
Three Opensides (ummm)
One #8 (okay)This is a mess because we are absolutely wedded to starting a ruck-shy midget at 8 because the selectors watch YouTube.
Yeah because Ardie's really the issue in this instance aye, appointing a captain that isn't even the best openside in New Zealand doesn't help, and that's before you even get to Scott Barrett who is the oddest selection of them all.
You can thank Fozzie the Clown for creating this shit show.
@Canes4life oh good the Canes fans are here to circle the wagons
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Listening to Foster, Scott Barrett maybe a permeant no.6 option.In his words "We see it as not just a stop gap option."
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
If Dalton isn't 100% why is he on the bench given there's 2 x 7s in the starting loose forward trio? Akira injured but are Hoskins and Vaai covid/injured?
He kept mentioning Dalton with Akira when talking about six, so I think the dopey bastard is going to play three sevens at some point.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
If Dalton isn't 100% why is he on the bench given there's 2 x 7s in the starting loose forward trio? Akira injured but are Hoskins and Vaai covid/injured?
He kept mentioning Dalton with Akira when talking about six, so I think the dopey bastard is going to play three sevens at some point.
I'd prefer three 7s to two 7s and a lock named Barrett.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Listening to Foster, Scott Barrett maybe a permeant no.6 option.In his words "We see it as not just a stop gap option."
Fuck you, @Duluth just restored my balance and now you've reversed it.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Listening to Foster, Scott Barrett maybe a permeant no.6 option.In his words "We see it as not just a stop gap option."
Fuck you, @Duluth just restored my balance and now you've reversed it.
Iife is truly a bitch sometimes.:grinning_squinting_face:
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Foster hates blindsides. Fact.
Has he watched England and Courtney Lawes and thought "yeah I'll have a bit of that" overlooking that CL is twice the player Barrett is.
A loose forward trio of two 7s and a lock is certainly revolutionary.
Scott you thick-necked, slow-footed dopey looking fuck you better prove me 100% wrong this year.
You too Ardie, smash dues in tackles, drive through rucks, win a few turnovers
Prove how fucking clueless i really am.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Foster hates blindsides. Fact.
Has he watched England and Courtney Lawes and thought "yeah I'll have a bit of that" overlooking that CL is twice the player Barrett is.
A loose forward trio of two 7s and a lock is certainly revolutionary.
Scott you thick-necked, slow-footed dopey looking fuck you better prove me 100% wrong this year.
You too Ardie, smash dues in tackles, drive through rucks, win a few turnovers
Prove how fucking clueless i really am.
Lol c'mon mate, just read your post, you may not need more proof!!
PS taking the piss (I think)
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
If Dalton isn't 100% why is he on the bench given there's 2 x 7s in the starting loose forward trio? Akira injured but are Hoskins and Vaai covid/injured?
He kept mentioning Dalton with Akira when talking about six, so I think the dopey bastard is going to play three sevens at some point.
I'd prefer three 7s to two 7s and a lock named Barrett.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
If Dalton isn't 100% why is he on the bench given there's 2 x 7s in the starting loose forward trio? Akira injured but are Hoskins and Vaai covid/injured?
He kept mentioning Dalton with Akira when talking about six, so I think the dopey bastard is going to play three sevens at some point.
I'd prefer three 7s to two 7s and a lock named Barrett.
he said he saw Papali'i as a 6 as well (earlier in the season).
It's bizarre. And this is not Cane's fault - he's a solid leader, and a damn good 7. He's just getting competition from different (Ardie) and up and coming (Dalts) players.
For me, it's got to be Ardie to the bench to cover the loosies and rip open the game in the last 20. Pick a specialist 6 and 8 with some height, and play Cane or Dalts if Cane can't play - they are the most similar. The massive compromise comes with having to have both Cane and Ardie there; the balance is borked at that point.
Deep down, though, this isn't the issue. Our tight 5 is the key problem. Taylor Retallick Whitelock are not the physical specimens they used to be. Our props are average in so many facets, or have obvious weaknesses.
All in all, loss insurance on the Irish seems a smart move right now
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But I will guarantee one thing fellas, whatever team is named someone or quite a few will be outraged as it not what thay think it should be. I surprised a bit with Barrett at 6 but haven't been overly convinced on Akira , so........................
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But I will guarantee one thing fellas, whatever team is named someone or quite a few will be outraged as it not what thay think it should be. I surprised a bit with Barrett at 6 but haven't been overly convinced on Akira , so........................
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
But I will guarantee one thing fellas, whatever team is named someone or quite a few will be outraged as it not what thay think it should be. I surprised a bit with Barrett at 6 but haven't been overly convinced on Akira , so........................
So just start Sowakula? He's on the bench.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
If Dalton isn't 100% why is he on the bench given there's 2 x 7s in the starting loose forward trio? Akira injured but are Hoskins and Vaai covid/injured?
He kept mentioning Dalton with Akira when talking about six, so I think the dopey bastard is going to play three sevens at some point.
I'd prefer three 7s to two 7s and a lock named Barrett.
he said he saw Papali'i as a 6 as well (earlier in the season).
It's bizarre. And this is not Cane's fault - he's a solid leader, and a damn good 7. He's just getting competition from different (Ardie) and up and coming (Dalts) players.
For me, it's got to be Ardie to the bench to cover the loosies and rip open the game in the last 20. Pick a specialist 6 and 8 with some height, and play Cane or Dalts if Cane can't play - they are the most similar. The massive compromise comes with having to have both Cane and Ardie there; the balance is borked at that point.
Deep down, though, this isn't the issue. Our tight 5 is the key problem. Taylor Retallick Whitelock are not the physical specimens they used to be. Our props are average in so many facets, or have obvious weaknesses.
All in all, loss insurance on the Irish seems a smart move right now
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Our props are average in so many facets, or have obvious weaknesses.
I think they are the big issue in our tight 5, putting extra load on Taylor and our locks, just need to look at how ineffective and knackered they all looked last year.
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But I will guarantee one thing fellas, whatever team is named someone or quite a few will be outraged as it not what thay think it should be. I surprised a bit with Barrett at 6 but haven't been overly convinced on Akira , so........................
@Dan54 Akira was mud in that Super Rugby final. Alot of people forget that Ardie was one of our best last year, and despite the shit @mariner4life talks, his work-rate is top notch. The problem is that Ardie can't play 7 because Cane is captain, but he's too good to leave out.
It doesn't help when other players aren't really putting their hand up for selection. The only player that stands out to me right now is Cullen Grace but this coach picked PGS instead, so he's really left himself short of options.
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@Dan54 Akira was mud in that Super Rugby final. Alot of people forget that Ardie was one of our best last year, and despite the shit @mariner4life talks, his work-rate is top notch. The problem is that Ardie can't play 7 because Cane is captain, but he's too good to leave out.
It doesn't help when other players aren't really putting their hand up for selection. The only player that stands out to me right now is Cullen Grace but this coach picked PGS instead, so he's really left himself short of options.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
It doesn't help when other players aren't really putting their hand up for selection. The only player that stands out to me right now is Cullen Grace
Sotutu and MMT say hi.
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@Nepia Well, they moved Lomax from the MABs to the ABs, so they could do the same with Grace.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Nepia Well, they moved Lomax from the MABs to the ABs, so they could do the same with Grace.
I'd much rather have Grace playing at 6 than Barrett.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
No question asked, or mention of Sotutu.
They’re definitely all in on Savea, so I guess they see him as a starter to give Savea a spell or not in the 23.
I’m hopeful he will get a start at some point this year. The great thing for Hoskins is that he is only 23.
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@Dan54 Akira was mud in that Super Rugby final. Alot of people forget that Ardie was one of our best last year, and despite the shit @mariner4life talks, his work-rate is top notch. The problem is that Ardie can't play 7 because Cane is captain, but he's too good to leave out.
It doesn't help when other players aren't really putting their hand up for selection. The only player that stands out to me right now is Cullen Grace but this coach picked PGS instead, so he's really left himself short of options.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
The problem is that Ardie can't play 7 because Cane is captain
oh, how silly of me. When you said that someone else should be 7 i thought you meant the form guy in NZ, and current skipper of the Blues.
Not a guy who hasn't played 7 in years.
My mistake.
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@Dan54 Akira was mud in that Super Rugby final. Alot of people forget that Ardie was one of our best last year, and despite the shit @mariner4life talks, his work-rate is top notch. The problem is that Ardie can't play 7 because Cane is captain, but he's too good to leave out.
It doesn't help when other players aren't really putting their hand up for selection. The only player that stands out to me right now is Cullen Grace but this coach picked PGS instead, so he's really left himself short of options.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Dan54 Akira was mud in that Super Rugby final. Alot of people forget that Ardie was one of our best last year, and despite the shit @mariner4life talks, his work-rate is top notch.
Because he's absent for half the fucking game.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Dan54 Akira was mud in that Super Rugby final. Alot of people forget that Ardie was one of our best last year, and despite the shit @mariner4life talks, his work-rate is top notch.
Because he's absent for half the fucking game.
@antipodean who, Ardie or Akira?
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I wish the journos had asked about Caleb Clarke - but, I'm guessing they decided he's not match-fit.
If that's the case, then the back selections are pretty logical since the third bench spot had to go to Perofeta, Clarke, RTS or Ennor - and we needed midfield/wing cover.
For the forwards - selections become pretty logical once you see who is out injured.
Taylor starting over Sami T. is no surprise regardless of whether it's the right decision.
They're evidently thinking there's a fair degree of specialisation in the loose forwards.
- Ioane/PGS
- Cane/Papali'i
- Ardie/Sotutu
Dalton's selection sends a pretty clear message that they're not planning on Ardie covering 7.
PGS not really trusted to start this test, but presumably seen as offering better cover of 6/8 than Sotutu.
If everyone was fit I think Nepo would've started at tighthead, Akira at 6, Goodhue/Havili at 12, Jordan at 14.
One of the three locks would've moved to the bench, Leicester possibly moves to the bench, Reece switches wings and Angus, PGS, QT and Ennor slide out of the 23.
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I wish the journos had asked about Caleb Clarke - but, I'm guessing they decided he's not match-fit.
If that's the case, then the back selections are pretty logical since the third bench spot had to go to Perofeta, Clarke, RTS or Ennor - and we needed midfield/wing cover.
For the forwards - selections become pretty logical once you see who is out injured.
Taylor starting over Sami T. is no surprise regardless of whether it's the right decision.
They're evidently thinking there's a fair degree of specialisation in the loose forwards.
- Ioane/PGS
- Cane/Papali'i
- Ardie/Sotutu
Dalton's selection sends a pretty clear message that they're not planning on Ardie covering 7.
PGS not really trusted to start this test, but presumably seen as offering better cover of 6/8 than Sotutu.
If everyone was fit I think Nepo would've started at tighthead, Akira at 6, Goodhue/Havili at 12, Jordan at 14.
One of the three locks would've moved to the bench, Leicester possibly moves to the bench, Reece switches wings and Angus, PGS, QT and Ennor slide out of the 23.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
I wish the journos had asked about Caleb Clarke - but, I'm guessing they decided he's not match-fit.
Knowler said in his article that Clarke wasn't fully recovered
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
I wish the journos had asked about Caleb Clarke - but, I'm guessing they decided he's not match-fit.
Knowler said in his article that Clarke wasn't fully recovered
Pretty much makes Ennor a lock-in.
I wonder whether they're considering shifting Rieko into 2nd five if QT gets injured?
The alternative is 10. Mo'uga; 12. JB; 15. BB - but, that is a hell of a lot of disruption!
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
I wish the journos had asked about Caleb Clarke - but, I'm guessing they decided he's not match-fit.
Knowler said in his article that Clarke wasn't fully recovered
Pretty much makes Ennor a lock-in.
I wonder whether they're considering shifting Rieko into 2nd five if QT gets injured?
The alternative is 10. Mo'uga; 12. JB; 15. BB - but, that is a hell of a lot of disruption!
