All Blacks XV 2022
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks XV:
Haven’t they missed a trick not calling this team the Shadow All Blacks?
All-most Blacks is what jumped to mind for me
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Will be fascinating to see who they do pick and see people on the Ferns opinions on who they should select in the squad.
@Chris said in All Blacks XV:
Will be fascinating to see who they do pick and see people on the Ferns opinions on who they should select in the squad.
So in theory we will have what 60 players touring at the end of the year between the two squads? That is 4 starting Super Rugby teams
But a good way to continue development and build skills etc.
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Will be fascinating to see who they do pick and see people on the Ferns opinions on who they should select in the squad.
@Chris They're likely to be in Europe at almost the same time, so there may be cross-overs (not saying that I agree with that).
My most pressing question is the relationship between the teams. Are they really separate? How much input will the ABs coaching staff have on squad and match day selections? And how much on game plan etc? If the influence of the ABs coaches is significant, you can forget about Razor coaching this team. He'll want to be - and should be - the only captain steering this ship.
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@Chris They're likely to be in Europe at almost the same time, so there may be cross-overs (not saying that I agree with that).
My most pressing question is the relationship between the teams. Are they really separate? How much input will the ABs coaching staff have on squad and match day selections? And how much on game plan etc? If the influence of the ABs coaches is significant, you can forget about Razor coaching this team. He'll want to be - and should be - the only captain steering this ship.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Chris They're likely to be in Europe at almost the same time, so there may be cross-overs (not saying that I agree with that).
My most pressing question is the relationship between the teams. Are they really separate? How much input will the ABs coaching staff have on squad and match day selections? And how much on game plan etc? If the influence of the ABs coaches is significant, you can forget about Razor coaching this team. He'll want to be - and should be - the only captain steering this ship.
Of course the AB selectors should be picking this team too.
I would hope that whoever coaches side recognises it's about improving depth at a national level and working alongside the All Blacks team. Any other reaction from a potential coach would be petty, short sighted and IMO disqualifying from the top job
If Robertson is tapped I'm sure he would do fine and be a team player
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The relationship would be similar to McMillan and the AB coaches. The Māori get to play their own way, but there will be some co-ordination on selection because the ABs get first choice of players.
@Bovidae Yep, I think that would be fine. I'm not entirely sure how the MABs are picked, but I don't think it's the ABs coaches who pick the players. Obviously, there's some coordination and discussion, but apart from that McMillan and co will pick the team and decide how they play.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Chris They're likely to be in Europe at almost the same time, so there may be cross-overs (not saying that I agree with that).
My most pressing question is the relationship between the teams. Are they really separate? How much input will the ABs coaching staff have on squad and match day selections? And how much on game plan etc? If the influence of the ABs coaches is significant, you can forget about Razor coaching this team. He'll want to be - and should be - the only captain steering this ship.
Of course the AB selectors should be picking this team too.
I would hope that whoever coaches side recognises it's about improving depth at a national level and working alongside the All Blacks team. Any other reaction from a potential coach would be petty, short sighted and IMO disqualifying from the top job
If Robertson is tapped I'm sure he would do fine and be a team player
@Duluth said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
I would hope that whoever coaches side recognises it's about improving depth at a national level and working alongside the All Blacks team. Any other reaction from a potential coach would be petty, short sighted and IMO disqualifying from the top job
Yep, what I said and meant doesn't contradict that. There needs to be coordination, cooperation and discussion between the two coaching groups. But that doesn't mean that the ABs coaches should take the decisions for this team as regards the selection of the (entire) team or how the team plays (game plan).
Of course the AB selectors should be picking this team too.
I disagree with that. Obviously, the two head coaches would discuss selections, coordinate fringe ABs getting game time for the ABs XV, but otherwise the coach of this team should be able to pick the players himself. The ABs coaches could decide what important skills they'd want to develop in players and - in a general way - what kind of game strategies they'd want to develop (for example, to counter a rush defence), but it should be up to the coach of this team of how this should be implemented for this team and how that translates into a game plan. On a meta level, sure, the ABs coaches decide what they want, but at a team level, they should leave it to the coach of this team.
If Robertson is tapped I'm sure he would do fine and be a team player
Again, what I said and meant doesn't contradict this.
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@Machpants Since the team was established a few years ago, NZR haven't officially designated this team as NZ's "next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team" under World Rugby Reg. 8. So, until it's officially designated, playing for this team doesn't capture a player.
Edited to add that I vaguely remember reading that NZR has said that they have no intention of changing this. But obviously, they can change their mind.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
I would hope that whoever coaches side recognises it's about improving depth at a national level and working alongside the All Blacks team. Any other reaction from a potential coach would be petty, short sighted and IMO disqualifying from the top job
Yep, what I said and meant doesn't contradict that. There needs to be coordination, cooperation and discussion between the two coaching groups. But that doesn't mean that the ABs coaches should take the decisions for this team as regards the selection of the (entire) team or how the team plays (game plan).
Of course the AB selectors should be picking this team too.
I disagree with that. Obviously, the two head coaches would discuss selections, coordinate fringe ABs getting game time for the ABs XV, but otherwise the coach of this team should be able to pick the players himself. The ABs coaches could decide what important skills they'd want to develop in players and - in a general way - what kind of game strategies they'd want to develop (for example, to counter a rush defence), but it should be up to the coach of this team of how this should be implemented for this team and how that translates into a game plan. On a meta level, sure, the ABs coaches decide what they want, but at a team level, they should leave it to the coach of this team.
If Robertson is tapped I'm sure he would do fine and be a team player
Again, what I said and meant doesn't contradict this.
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@Stargazer the only reason this team exists is to build depth for the All Blacks.
Everything they do should be driven by whoever is the AB coach.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer the only reason this team exists is to build depth for the All Blacks.
Everything they do should be driven by whoever is the AB coach.
It would be mad if this team wasn't selected by / with significant input from the AB coaches / selectors.
I assume that everyone wanting to blow Robertson will change their minds about that if he gets made the AB coach.
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@Chris said in All Blacks XV:
Will be fascinating to see who they do pick and see people on the Ferns opinions on who they should select in the squad.
So in theory we will have what 60 players touring at the end of the year between the two squads? That is 4 starting Super Rugby teams
But a good way to continue development and build skills etc.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks XV:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV:
Will be fascinating to see who they do pick and see people on the Ferns opinions on who they should select in the squad.
So in theory we will have what 60 players touring at the end of the year between the two squads? That is 4 starting Super Rugby teams
But a good way to continue development and build skills etc.
I can see too many Canes and Chiefs already….
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks XV:
Future AB's coaching group right there? So clearly Razor has not been asked to coach the AB XV, maybe Fozzie has his eyes on Hammett and Holland?
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So some likely names based on the current ABs squad;
I’d say there will be one or two youngsters the coaches have their eyes on, that will surprise.
And yes I will have missed some obvious names.Hodgman
De Groot
Williams
Norris
Eklund
Aumua
Goodhue
Dickson
IWL
Tucker
Robinson
Grace
Harmon
MMT
Frizzell
Choat
Weber
Ratima
A Nother 9 (probably TJP)
Ioane
DMac
Plummer (struggling for 10’s)
Nankivell
PUJ
TUJ
Sullivan
Sullivan
Telea
Nareki -
So some likely names based on the current ABs squad;
I’d say there will be one or two youngsters the coaches have their eyes on, that will surprise.
And yes I will have missed some obvious names.Hodgman
De Groot
Williams
Norris
Eklund
Aumua
Goodhue
Dickson
IWL
Tucker
Robinson
Grace
Harmon
MMT
Frizzell
Choat
Weber
Ratima
A Nother 9 (probably TJP)
Ioane
DMac
Plummer (struggling for 10’s)
Nankivell
PUJ
TUJ
Sullivan
Sullivan
Telea
Nareki@Gunner would like to see Josh Moorby feature in there somewhere as another fullback/wing option, he’s had an excellent season.
