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All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test

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    as with everything, the "how" of any "setup" is far less important than the "why".

    Why are we spread across the field? who or what are we trying to isolate? Phases without purpose are useless.

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    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

      as with everything, the "how" of any "setup" is far less important than the "why".

      Why are we spread across the field? who or what are we trying to isolate? Phases without purpose are useless.

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      @mariner4life god i hope thats why theyve picked SB, more phases in tight to draw in some of the rush defenders before going wide quick

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      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

        as with everything, the "how" of any "setup" is far less important than the "why".

        Why are we spread across the field? who or what are we trying to isolate? Phases without purpose are useless.

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        taniwharugby
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        @mariner4life cos they'd look silly if they were all lined up in a conga-line!

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        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

          look, picking SB at 6 works if the plan is to play tight and just bully the fuck out of Ireland at set piece and up front

          If we pick 6 tight forwards and try and play wide-wide-wide (like a certain game in 2019) then i might be looking for a new TV by the Aussie game

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          @mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

          look, picking SB at 6 works if the plan is to play tight and just bully the fuck out of Ireland at set piece and up front

          If we pick 6 tight forwards and try and play wide-wide-wide (like a certain game in 2019) then i might be looking for a new TV by the Aussie game

          I don't mind the plan, if the players can execute but it also relies on the forward pack to turn up and unfortunately it is mostly the same people that failed in 2019.

          I almost wonder if this is Foster saying to Hansen, look your idea could work (and I havent had any successful ones)..bet I can do it ...meanwhile the fern loses it lol

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            as with everything, the "how" of any "setup" is far less important than the "why".

            Why are we spread across the field? who or what are we trying to isolate? Phases without purpose are useless.

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            @mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

            as with everything, the "how" of any "setup" is far less important than the "why".

            Why are we spread across the field? who or what are we trying to isolate? Phases without purpose are useless.

            If we move back towards a 1-3-3-1 or a pattern with bigger bodies in the middle, we could be trying to be less about going wide and more about going through them? That seems the way to breakdown the rush, so wha pattern would fit to do that? A tight six could be the right set of people, but I wonder about how they plan to do that.

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            • bayimportsB bayimports

              @mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              look, picking SB at 6 works if the plan is to play tight and just bully the fuck out of Ireland at set piece and up front

              If we pick 6 tight forwards and try and play wide-wide-wide (like a certain game in 2019) then i might be looking for a new TV by the Aussie game

              I don't mind the plan, if the players can execute but it also relies on the forward pack to turn up and unfortunately it is mostly the same people that failed in 2019.

              I almost wonder if this is Foster saying to Hansen, look your idea could work (and I havent had any successful ones)..bet I can do it ...meanwhile the fern loses it lol

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              @bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

              meanwhile the fern loses it lol

              thats the best bit!

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                Something I noticed in the Māori game was the Irish were very reluctant to put too many bodies in the ruck, I'm assuming to get the D line full of bodies. They were also good at slowing down the ball at the base of the ruck.

                I think the Māori did it once and is happening more in SR is instead of jackling is putting players into the ruck for a counter ruck. If we play tight and commit players to the ruck then the Irish will be forced to counter this which may open up space.

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                • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                  @bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                  meanwhile the fern loses it lol

                  thats the best bit!

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                  @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                  @bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                  meanwhile the fern loses it lol

                  thats the best bit!

                  right now fozzie deliberately trying to troll the fern makes as much sense as anything else

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                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                    @bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                    meanwhile the fern loses it lol

                    thats the best bit!

                    right now fozzie deliberately trying to troll the fern makes as much sense as anything else

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                    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                    @bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                    meanwhile the fern loses it lol

                    thats the best bit!

                    right now fozzie deliberately trying to troll the fern makes as much sense as anything else

                    I now suspect the guy recently banned was Foster, the ultimate pay back

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                    • chimoausC chimoaus

                      Something I noticed in the Māori game was the Irish were very reluctant to put too many bodies in the ruck, I'm assuming to get the D line full of bodies. They were also good at slowing down the ball at the base of the ruck.

                      I think the Māori did it once and is happening more in SR is instead of jackling is putting players into the ruck for a counter ruck. If we play tight and commit players to the ruck then the Irish will be forced to counter this which may open up space.

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                      Kiwiwomble
                      wrote on last edited by Kiwiwomble
                      #606

                      @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                      Something I noticed in the Māori game was the Irish were very reluctant to put too many bodies in the ruck, I'm assuming to get the D line full of bodies. They were also good at slowing down the ball at the base of the ruck.

                      I think the Māori did it once and is happening more in SR is instead of jackling is putting players into the ruck for a counter ruck. If we play tight and commit players to the ruck then the Irish will be forced to counter this which may open up space.

                      I think lots of countries have worked that out, we're obsessed with fast ball so they "give" it to use at the first or second ruck looking to isolate the 3rd and 4th phase ball, we think we're stretching them but theyre standing out there waiting for us

                      @bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                      @bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                      meanwhile the fern loses it lol

                      thats the best bit!

                      right now fozzie deliberately trying to troll the fern makes as much sense as anything else

                      I now suspect the guy recently banned was Foster, the ultimate pay back

                      Mods did say they traced the IP address or something...to NZR headquarters i wonder?

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                      • bayimportsB bayimports

                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                        look, picking SB at 6 works if the plan is to play tight and just bully the fuck out of Ireland at set piece and up front

                        If we pick 6 tight forwards and try and play wide-wide-wide (like a certain game in 2019) then i might be looking for a new TV by the Aussie game

                        I don't mind the plan, if the players can execute but it also relies on the forward pack to turn up and unfortunately it is mostly the same people that failed in 2019.

                        I almost wonder if this is Foster saying to Hansen, look your idea could work (and I havent had any successful ones)..bet I can do it ...meanwhile the fern loses it lol

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                        Chris B.
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                        #607

                        @bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                        look, picking SB at 6 works if the plan is to play tight and just bully the fuck out of Ireland at set piece and up front

                        If we pick 6 tight forwards and try and play wide-wide-wide (like a certain game in 2019) then i might be looking for a new TV by the Aussie game

                        I don't mind the plan, if the players can execute but it also relies on the forward pack to turn up and unfortunately it is mostly the same people that failed in 2019.

                        I almost wonder if this is Foster saying to Hansen, look your idea could work (and I havent had any successful ones)..bet I can do it ...meanwhile the fern loses it lol

                        I think it's more that the next generation of forwards probably aren't quite going to arrive in time for 2023. Which is a pity, because we've got most of the pieces to the puzzle in the backs.

                        e.g. by 2025, we could have Tamaiti Williams, Sami T. and Newell as a front row, which right now looks a pretty decent prospect - but, it's hard to see the props arriving in time for 2023.

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                        • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                          @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                          @bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                          meanwhile the fern loses it lol

                          thats the best bit!

                          right now fozzie deliberately trying to troll the fern makes as much sense as anything else

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                          taniwharugby
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                          #608

                          @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                          He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

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                            Wild Sotutu can't even get on the bench. Clearly the best 8 in the comp with Savea also behind Valetini in third.

                            Barrett at 6 has got to be parody.

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                            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                              @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                              He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

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                              @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                              @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                              He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                              He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

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                              • chimoausC chimoaus

                                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                                He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                                He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

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                                @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                                He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                                He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

                                Fat jokes never get old

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                                • MN5M MN5

                                  @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                  @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                  @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                                  He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                                  He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

                                  Fat jokes never get old

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                                  @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                  @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                  @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                  @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                                  He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                                  He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

                                  Fat jokes never get old

                                  no lightening up on the fat jokes then?

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                                  • nzzpN nzzp

                                    @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                    @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                    @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                                    He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                                    He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

                                    Fat jokes never get old

                                    no lightening up on the fat jokes then?

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                                    MN5
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #613

                                    @nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                    @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                    @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                    @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                                    He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                                    He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

                                    Fat jokes never get old

                                    no lightening up on the fat jokes then?

                                    Only if he lightens up I guess

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                                    • MN5M MN5

                                      @nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                                      He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                                      He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

                                      Fat jokes never get old

                                      no lightening up on the fat jokes then?

                                      Only if he lightens up I guess

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                                      Kiwiwomble
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                                      #614

                                      @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      @nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                      @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                                      He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                                      He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

                                      Fat jokes never get old

                                      no lightening up on the fat jokes then?

                                      Only if he lightens up I guess

                                      that might be your finest moment

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                                      • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                        @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                                        He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                                        He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

                                        Fat jokes never get old

                                        no lightening up on the fat jokes then?

                                        Only if he lightens up I guess

                                        that might be your finest moment

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                                        MN5
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                                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

                                        @Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?

                                        He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!

                                        He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.

                                        Fat jokes never get old

                                        no lightening up on the fat jokes then?

                                        Only if he lightens up I guess

                                        that might be your finest moment

                                        I don’t watch enough Super Rugby to make many serious contributions so if there’s an opportunity for a lame gag I have to take it.

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                                          So, I needed a reminder of what Ennor has achieved the last few years and couldn't find any highlights, does someone have the link?

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