All Blacks vs Wales
-
<p>I think if there is one area Cruden may have over him, is the ability to read what is in front of him with ball in hand , </p>
<p> </p>
<p>And it is not that Lima is bad in this area ,he is pretty good too, i just think Cruden is exceptionally good, </p>
<p> </p>
<p>But Lima has goalkicking , and a harder running game , splitting hairs really, </p>
<p> </p>
<p>I think we probably need to see more of Lima at test level to really judge him </p> -
That break Cruden made that lead to Barnes having a brain snap was classic Cruden. Holding the ball up while the defense hung off, then ghosting through the gap. Just like the situation at 7 its great to have some depth (with experience) to fill in the massive hole left by two "goats".<br>
Would be nice if we could say the same about midfield. However once SBW comes back that might not be such an issue. -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="pukunui" data-cid="587408" data-time="1465794799">
<div>
<p>That break Cruden made that lead to Barnes having a brain snap was classic Cruden. Holding the ball up while the defense hung off, then ghosting through the gap. Just like the situation at 7 its great to have some depth (with experience) to fill in the massive hole left by two "goats".<br>
Would be nice if we could say the same about midfield. However once SBW comes back that might not be such an issue.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>The way you describe Cruden's running game is why he plays so well with SBW.</p> -
<p>when I re-watched that sweeping movement up the field, Cruden looked like he was just jogging along casually...but seems to move pretty rapidly still</p>
-
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Marty" data-cid="587362" data-time="1465780514">
<div>
<p>Also in support of <strike>Cane </strike>Thorne, Tracey Nelson's stats has him on 32 first-three-to breakdown appearances, 11 ahead of the next best (Read and Kaino). And she doesn't count people turning up and doing nothing. </p>
<p> </p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Is it 2003 again? God, how many times was that sentence posted between 2002 - 2003. I'm pretty sure Redeye used to copy and paste it in after each AB game and adjust the figures. :)</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Interesting that she didn't include Cane's attempted tackle on Faletau as a 'slipped tackle'. Cane did a great job to even get there to attempt it (after Naholo fu*ked up), but surely it still counts as a slipped tackle??</p> -
-
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="kiwiinmelb" data-cid="587406" data-time="1465793615">
<div>
<p>I think if there is one area Cruden may have over him, is the ability to read what is in front of him with ball in hand , </p>
<p> </p>
<p>And it is not that Lima is bad in this area ,he is pretty good too, i just think Cruden is exceptionally good, </p>
<p> </p>
<p>But Lima has goalkicking , and a harder running game , splitting hairs really, </p>
<p> </p>
<p>I think we probably need to see more of Lima at test level to really judge him </p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Agree with all this and a reminder that if they're keen on that cross kick pass to the wingers, Lima does that better than all of them</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="587450" data-time="1465804096">
<div>
<p>Agree with all this and a reminder that if they're keen on that cross kick pass to the wingers, Lima does that better than all of them</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Not sure you could do it any better than Cruden did it to Savea on Saturday....</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="587452" data-time="1465804331">
<div>
<p>Not sure you could do it any better than Cruden did it to Savea on Saturday....</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>yeah but he fluffed at least two others from decent attacking ball</p> -
<p>problem is, had Lima been running the ship, the game may not have presented those opportunities....</p>
-
<p>had 5 hours in the car today and spent alot of it listening to talkback...some funny stuff.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>One guy said that NZ arent that good, they are not an 80 minute team because they always rely on the bench to finish games for them!</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Was more venting about the All Whites though</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="587449" data-time="1465803966">
<div>
<p>With Barrett the youngest nipping at their ankles, when the time comes around</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Christ almighty, let's all stop rubbing one out to a bloke who a ) hasn't played Super Rugby and b ) was a member of the first NZ team to lose to Ireland......</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Afterall the rest of the Whitelocks are pretty crap compared to Sammy boy.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="587478" data-time="1465807165">
<div>
<p>Christ almighty, let's all stop rubbing one out to a bloke who a ) hasn't played Super Rugby and b ) was a member of the first NZ team to lose to Ireland......</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Afterall the rest of the Whitelocks are pretty crap compared to Sammy boy.</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Oh fuck off you old curmudgeon
the promise of youth is all half you old fluffybunnies have got to hang onto</p>
<p> </p>
<p>you seen the lad play?</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MajorRage" data-cid="587344" data-time="1465778884"><p>
Nostradamus post this one!</p></blockquote>
Nearly got the spelling right there:) -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Siam" data-cid="587537" data-time="1465816951">
<div>
<p>Oh fuck off you old curmudgeon the promise of youth is all half you old fluffybunnys have got to hang onto</p>
<p> </p>
<p>you seen the lad play?</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>Admittedly no. But I do know he lost to Ireland under 20 so that has potentially scarred his career for life.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Just cos your surname is Barrett doesn't give you a free pass to Rugby superstardom. I mean there was surprise that his brother was overlooked for the ABs which bemused me....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I think having one who scales AB heights and a handful of decent Super Players who might snare the odd cap here and there should be enough for a family.</p> -
<p>Tevita Li is someone who looked like an absolute rockstar at U21, was hoping he'd kick on!</p>
-
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="587595" data-time="1465851542">
<div>
<p>Just cos your surname is Barrett doesn't give you a free pass to Rugby superstardom. I mean there was surprise that his brother was overlooked for the ABs which bemused me....</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p> </p>
<p>I don't think anyone is talking him up because of his surname. I agree that he might not turn out to be the greatest player ever - there are always a few players who don't look as good after making the step up - but, in my opinion, he looks better than Barrett did at this level.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>He looks to have a better passing game, better at hitting the ball up - goes hard into contact, tackles harder, and his goalkicking is (usually) better.</p>
