All Blacks vs Wales
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<p>Oh fuck off you old curmudgeon
the promise of youth is all half you old fluffybunnys have got to hang onto</p>
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<p>you seen the lad play?</p>
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<p>Admittedly no. But I do know he lost to Ireland under 20 so that has potentially scarred his career for life.</p>
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<p>Just cos your surname is Barrett doesn't give you a free pass to Rugby superstardom. I mean there was surprise that his brother was overlooked for the ABs which bemused me....</p>
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<p>I think having one who scales AB heights and a handful of decent Super Players who might snare the odd cap here and there should be enough for a family.</p> -
<p>Tevita Li is someone who looked like an absolute rockstar at U21, was hoping he'd kick on!</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="587595" data-time="1465851542">
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<p>Just cos your surname is Barrett doesn't give you a free pass to Rugby superstardom. I mean there was surprise that his brother was overlooked for the ABs which bemused me....</p>
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<p>I don't think anyone is talking him up because of his surname. I agree that he might not turn out to be the greatest player ever - there are always a few players who don't look as good after making the step up - but, in my opinion, he looks better than Barrett did at this level.</p>
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<p>He looks to have a better passing game, better at hitting the ball up - goes hard into contact, tackles harder, and his goalkicking is (usually) better.</p> -
<p>Yes yes yes the throwaway line "with Barrett the youngest nipping at their heels <strong>when the time comes around"</strong></p>
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<p>is totally talking him up prematurely, demanding he be picked for the next test and announcing to the world that he is definitively the greatest player ever.</p>
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<p>Lighten up, like a lot of prominent U20 players at the WC from all teams, the potential and foundations are promising for one so young. That is all</p>
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<p>you know the biggest load of tosh on this subject is the dismissal of the guy's ability from someone who has never seen him play :)</p> -
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<p>I don't think anyone is talking him up because of his surname. I agree that he might not turn out to be the greatest player ever - there are always a few players who don't look as good after making the step up - but, in my opinion, he looks better than Barrett did at this level.</p>
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<p>He looks to have a better passing game, better at hitting the ball up - goes hard into contact, tackles harder, and his goalkicking is (usually) better.</p>
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<p>......yet his brother scored a rather important try in a rather important game just last year if memory serves.....and never lost to Ireland.</p>
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<p>He might be very good at the higher levels but Siam should know that even throwaway lines get taken very seriously on here. I'm perfectly within my rights to blow it completely out of proportion and then get on my high horse. </p> -
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<p>......yet his brother scored a rather important try in a rather important game just last year if memory serves.....and never lost to Ireland.</p>
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<p><strong>He might be very good at the higher levels but Siam should know that even throwaway lines get taken very seriously on here. I'm perfectly within my rights to blow it completely out of proportion and then get on my high horse. </strong></p>
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<p>You are mate, and I'd fight for your right to do so :)</p>
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<p>All good, and in the tradition of getting the last word in, a virtual keg says, injury notwithstanding, Jordan Barrett gets in the 2019 RWC squad ;)</p> -
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<p>You are mate, and I'd fight for your right to do so :)</p>
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<p>All good, and in the tradition of getting the last word in, a virtual keg says, injury notwithstanding, Jordan Barrett gets in the 2019 RWC squad ;)</p>
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<p>Stop being so friendly and understanding. I want an interweb stouch....</p>
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<p>......yet his brother scored a rather important try in a rather important game just last year if memory serves.....and never lost to Ireland.</p>
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<p>I don't care what Beauden Barrett did last year (well I do, but that is irrelevant to this conversation). My point wasn't that Jordie is going to be better than Beauden, or that Beauden is a bad player. My point is that at this level, in my opinion, Jordie looks to be the better player. People have noticed this, and have been talking about him because of his ability, not his name.</p>
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<p>Also, the loss to Ireland was a team loss, not Jordie's loss. If you put Jonah Lomu and Richie McCaw with a bunch of U7 girls from Taranaki, they would not beat Ireland, but this hardly reflects on the quality of Lomu and McCaw. Evaluating their quality solely on the loss would be rather silly.</p> -
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<p>Also, the loss to Ireland was a team loss, not Jordie's loss. If you put Jonah Lomu and Richie McCaw with a bunch of U7 girls from Taranaki, they would not beat Ireland, but this hardly reflects on the quality of Lomu and McCaw. </p>
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<p>I don't know. If those girls from Taranaki are part of the Barrett clan, they would probably go close to winning.</p> -
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<p>I don't care what Beauden Barrett did last year (well I do, but that is irrelevant to this conversation). My point wasn't that Jordie is going to be better than Beauden, or that Beauden is a bad player. My point is that at this level, in my opinion, Jordie looks to be the better player. People have noticed this, and have been talking about him because of his ability, not his name.</p>
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<p>Also, the loss to Ireland was a team loss, not Jordie's loss. If you put Jonah Lomu and Richie McCaw with a bunch of U7 girls from Taranaki, they would not beat Ireland, but this hardly reflects on the quality of Lomu and McCaw. Evaluating their quality solely on the loss would be rather silly.</p>
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<p>Shit we're in trouble if our best under 20 players are only as good as U7 girls then. The 2020's are already shaping up badly for AB fans.</p> -
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<p>Obviously it is an extreme example to illustrate a point.</p>
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<p>Nothing is ever obvious on the fern but you've cleared up my fears......I was on the Lydia Ko/Americas Cup/Steven Adams bandwagon but I'll jump off and support the ABs again.</p> -
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<p>I got burnt by Bleyendaal when watching him at age group level and he looked to be the next Carter, remember he had an astounding boot too. Then he turned fucking awful considering. I'll never see it the same again at age group...</p>
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<p>Don't worry I thought Liaki Moli would be a star from age group level as well.......</p> -
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<p>I got burnt by Bleyendaal when watching him at age group level and he looked to be the next Carter, remember he had an astounding boot too. Then he turned fucking awful considering. I'll never see it the same again at age group...</p>
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<p>Yeah me too. Obviously haven't learnt my lesson :think:</p> -
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<p>I got burnt by Bleyendaal when watching him at age group level and he looked to be the next Carter, remember he had an astounding boot too. Then he turned fucking awful considering. I'll never see it the same again at age group...</p>
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<p>A real life burn or a fern burn ? I don't think the latter really counts or else none of us would show up.....</p>
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<p>If it's any consolation I'm still waiting for Koula Tukino, Dominic Feaunati and/or Roy Kinikinilau to become the next Jonah.......</p> -
Fern burns hurt the most. Especially when everyone else starts "liking" the burn. It can be psychologically devastating.
