All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MiketheSnow First event (green): Ofa's yellow card. Second event (orange): Angus' red card. Both TH props. Thought they needed uncontested scrums because they forgot Bower could have been moved to TH. Because they went for uncontested scrums, they needed to lose another player (they chose Ardie). So off were Ofa, Angus and Ardie = 12 players.
Did Ross come on when Ardie went off?
Yes
So it was a fuck up by the officials to allow Ross on according to that table. Should have just been Ardie (or whoever) off and ABs down to 12 until the yellow ended.
But also a big fuck up by the AB management trying to do a pointless swap of Ross and Ardie which still lead to uncontested scrums and Ardie missing the rest of the game.@pukunui said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MiketheSnow First event (green): Ofa's yellow card. Second event (orange): Angus' red card. Both TH props. Thought they needed uncontested scrums because they forgot Bower could have been moved to TH. Because they went for uncontested scrums, they needed to lose another player (they chose Ardie). So off were Ofa, Angus and Ardie = 12 players.
Did Ross come on when Ardie went off?
Yes
So it was a fuck up by the officials to allow Ross on according to that table. Should have just been Ardie (or whoever) off and ABs down to 12 until the yellow ended.
But also a big fuck up by the AB management trying to do a pointless swap of Ross and Ardie which still lead to uncontested scrums and Ardie missing the rest of the game.Quoting myself
Found this that explains it all a bit better.
linkSummary:
Ross on, Ardie off because they had a front rower, even if he couldn’t play that side. Therefore uncontested.Refs messed up by not taking an extra AB off until ofa came back and again by not letting Ardie back on. Dalton should have been the one to stay off because he was replaced by Angus.
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Well that was rather tragic viewing. Things that we've known for a while were there for all to see tonight. Having 3 opensides out there was a disaster even before Savea was forced off. They're far too passive playing together on defence and a lack of muscle in there was evident as the Irish virtually walked up the field on attack. Sam Cane wasn't great out there and despite him working hard, a lot of his work was ineffective, but was still a hell of a lot more than what Papali'i produced. He was anonymous all match and certainly isn't a starting test 6 on that evidence. Can't say I really noticed a lot of Ardie out there, certainly not on defence anyway. He made the odd ineffective carry. It's a broken record, but most of us can see that he's perfect foil for the bench. Don't think we need to see Sowakula for the next test. He has hands like feet and not much of a rugby brain in general. He reminds me of Peter Saili with his hands, difference is, is that Saili never got close to a test jersey and rightly so. Surely Sotutu comes in for the next test and hopefully Ioane on the side of the scrum. we need some power out there.
Don't know why Codie Taylor seems to have a mortgage on the 2 jersey. He's been on a steady decline for a while yet he seems to still be one of the first names of the teamsheet! Taukei'aho is well overdue to get his time as a starter now. Taylor, along with Tu'ungafasi, missed tackles and was extremely poor on the carry. Something Taukei'aho does very well with ball in hand is fight for every metre with his low centre of gravity and get you front foot ball, something that we did not get at all tonight as we had no strong ball carriers on for the first 55 minutes. No disrespect to George Bower, he was the most effective one out there along with Barrett and it's frustrating when we have ones sitting either on the bench or in the stands. Tu'ungafasi had a poor night and through no fault of his own, had to stay out there all game. He's another whose best work comes from the bench which we'll most likely see once Laulala returns.
Is Brodie Retallick's time up? I think we all know that he isn't the player he once was, but he was outshone by Scott Barrett tonight and with Sam Whitelock to return, is it time to put Retallick to the bench or even start to bring Tupou Va'ai into the 23? It pains me to say it as I love what Retallick has done for the black jersey, but itstead of bullying opposition, he's starting to get bullied by opposition tight 5s. He's also not getting any younger so maybe it's time to slowly move him on? (I know we won't). His body had taken a battering pre covid, and he hasn't come back the same after returning from Japan 6 kg lighter.
Tupaea and Fai'anganuku had nights to forget, especially Big Leicester. He looked lost out there, made a crucial error in early in the 2nd half, and then made a horrible misread on defence in the lead up to the Irish try before thankfully getting dragged, and with Jordan back and Possibly Clarke, I doubt we'll see him back next week.
Another key battle we lost out there was the aerial battle. Barrett and Smith, once our ball went static (and quite often too), were putting the ball too far, allowing their back 3 to return the ball with no pressure and allowing the Ireland forwards to get back to set up their attack, as well as not giving our wingers a chance to compete more often than not, where as the former Blues reserve halfback during the dark old days Gibson-Park was on point with his kicking from the base, where the Irish competed, and won almost everything in the air. He certainly redeemed himself after having an indifferent game last week .
Mass changes are certainly needed that's for sure after that debacle, I'm not holding my breath as they have proven that they are reluctant to make changes so I'm only expecting there to be about 2 changes max and I'm not on the anti-foster brigade, but I'm getting very close to joining as we seem to be going backwards at a rate of knots.
@African-Monkey good summary, I agree. But we have to nurse Whitelock to the RWC as he has had a lot of miles but we can't lose that canny experience.
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All set up for a thriller next week now. Well done Ireland.
Hope Sotutu is on bench and Jordan and Samisoni starting. Paps off his game so maybe try Akira too. PGS and LF don't seem skilled enough for pressure tests to me.
Will we see a new tight head in squad next week? Ofa was not good tonite.
Biggest issue in my view is our ineffective kicking and weak chasing.
Could not follow Savea going off when LF was the obvious casualty.
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Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
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We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week. You can however put in a bad performance as we saw.
Irish attack was very good, the face balls and putting runners into gaps or aimed at weak shoulders was outstanding. Also, the AB’s spent most of the game with either 13 or 14 men.
There might be a few changes next week, I don’t think the loose trio experiment had a chance to bear fruit but if we can get either Whitelock back or Va’ai, even Patty at lock to free up Barrett back at 6. Jordan for Fainga’anuku, Taukei’aho for Taylor, Akira for PGS and Clarke off the bench.
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week.
I think the scoreline last week flattered us.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week.
I think the scoreline last week flattered us.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
We’ll that was a strange game, hard to get any flow with the cards and with the Irish playing so well.
I’m going to buck the trend here and say it’s far too early to panic. This AB team thrashed this same Irish team a week ago. You don’t go from being an excellent team to a poor one in one week.
I think the scoreline last week flattered us.
Hugely. We got rolled when Ireland got ball
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Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
And he has a fair lump of wins vs a depleted Wallabies minus their overseas stalwarts (Kerevi, Cooper, etc..) Tonga, Fiji, Italy, USA and Wales C in those 16 wins.
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Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
@kiwi_expat worst than Wayne Smith’s?
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Hugely looking forward to some weekenders from London next year to watch the WC in France
Only problem is the ABs. Yikes.
The tanker is on the wrong course.
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I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
@nostrildamus
Simple, jobs for the boys. Foster was in the environment for many years. Razor and other successful coaches were outsiders.Professionalism is a business, once their pockets hurt they will reconsider. Results are revenue first, which has a loose relationship with winning on the field (unless fans or sponsors decide to take action).
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I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
@mariner4life here I am still waiting for you to tee off
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Are NZ playing Wales and Scotland in Nov? May as well knock those unbeaten records out whilst Foster is at the helm.
We’ve beaten you
Last century
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Are NZ playing Wales and Scotland in Nov? May as well knock those unbeaten records out whilst Foster is at the helm.
We’ve beaten you
Last century
I meant long unbeaten streak. Apologies Mike.
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@mariner4life here I am still waiting for you to tee off
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life here I am still waiting for you to tee off
I'm too drunk to tap it out on the phone!
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I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
All of these points are far too reasonable.
Go have a few more beers and come back when you have your Perth game ready.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Foster now has the worst win % of any All Blacks coach since 1980, including losing to Argentina once and Ireland twice.
i honestly don't know why they selected him. How could he have been the best candidate with his record? And his record isn't that much better now.
And he's fat.
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2020/2021/2022 Pfff.... I am numb. So we badly lost to Ireland in NZ. We lost to an underdone Argentinian side in Aussie. You accepted that. I give you guys a couple of days before this is swept under the carpet.
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Their 10 mouthed off and slapped a guy after their first try and what was our response???
Fucking. Nothing.
We are soft. And the on-field representation of our head coach. Fucking disgraceful.
Scott Fucking Barrett is apparently our enforcer. I'm not scared of Scott Barrett, let alone Josh van de flier
Ardie savea our locked in #8 is Liam Messam from Wish.
Our skipper might be old but at least he hits things
DP may as well have stayed home
Taylor is cooked.
