All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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What I would select
Bower, Taukeiaho, Laulala
Retallick, Whitelock
Barrett, Sotutu, Savea
Smith, Barrett
Havili, Goodhue
Ioane, Jordan, Reece
res: Ross, Coles, Tuungafasi, Ioane, Papili, Fakatava, Mo’unga, Barrett
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
What I would select
Bower, Taukeiaho, Laulala
Retallick, Whitelock
Barrett, Sotutu, Savea
Smith, Barrett
Havili, Goodhue
Ioane, Jordan, Reece
res: Ross, Coles, Tuungafasi, Ioane, Papili, Fakatava, Mo’unga, Barrett
Quite like the thinking, but would want Cane to start and Ardie off bench.
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@voodoo Tupaea had a bad case of the dropsies. Apart from that he was okay - and dropping ball is uncharacteristic for him, he doesn't drop a lot in general - but every turnover was costing us, so it was shithouse.
No need for the scrapheap just yet, it's not like he's 30+ and has been on a downward trajectory for the last 3 years.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
and dropping ball is uncharacteristic for him
Is it? He seemed to have gotten better for the chiefs since making the ABs, but I have a vague memory of his handling being pretty poor at times for the chiefs before that.
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@voodoo Tupaea had a bad case of the dropsies. Apart from that he was okay - and dropping ball is uncharacteristic for him, he doesn't drop a lot in general - but every turnover was costing us, so it was shithouse.
No need for the scrapheap just yet, it's not like he's 30+ and has been on a downward trajectory for the last 3 years.@reprobate one of his drops was massively significant, him catching the ball was crucial to the move they had up thier sleeve (or were winging) the throw was nigh on perfect...but then dropping balls by people that don't normally usually points to other factors (bad luck, over thinking, lack of clarity, low confidence)
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The head contact is always tough as AT was caught in a bad position, could he have done more? I don't know but the fact is under the rules AT was a red card.
That is the problem, the rules are his is def a Red, but given how that happened, how quickly that happened, I am not sure much could have been done to mitigate, for either party involved, and yep, what happens to him at the judiciary will be very interesting.
Again, if you read social media, people say Reds for that kind of contact is a must to protect players...people need to realise accidents happen, no matter if you do everything correctly and within your contrrol.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The head contact is always tough as AT was caught in a bad position, could he have done more? I don't know but the fact is under the rules AT was a red card.
That is the problem, the rules are his is def a Red, but given how that happened, how quickly that happened, I am not sure much could have been done to mitigate, for either party involved, and yep, what happens to him at the judiciary will be very interesting.
Again, if you read social media, people say Reds for that kind of contact is a must to protect players...people need to realise accidents happen, no matter if you do everything correctly and within your contrrol.
Isn't that the mitigation?
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one thing the ABs need to get the ref to look at this week is how ireland slowed the game down in second half. players going down injured and moving slow to lineouts and scrums. was very south African like.
@ploughboy yeah certainly becoming a bit of an issue in the game.
MAybe need timeouts too...
Seriously though, was rather ironic when you think we were down a man, they'd be the ones wanting to speed the game up, they were slowing it down.
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@ploughboy yeah certainly becoming a bit of an issue in the game.
MAybe need timeouts too...
Seriously though, was rather ironic when you think we were down a man, they'd be the ones wanting to speed the game up, they were slowing it down.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ploughboy yeah certainly becoming a bit of an issue in the game.
MAybe need timeouts too...
Seriously though, was rather ironic when you think we were down a man, they'd be the ones wanting to speed the game up, they were slowing it down.
yeah thought it was strange but probably shows how structured they play
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@reprobate one of his drops was massively significant, him catching the ball was crucial to the move they had up thier sleeve (or were winging) the throw was nigh on perfect...but then dropping balls by people that don't normally usually points to other factors (bad luck, over thinking, lack of clarity, low confidence)
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@reprobate one of his drops was massively significant, him catching the ball was crucial to the move they had up thier sleeve (or were winging) the throw was nigh on perfect
The bad drop from the long throw was poor. The other was from a pass behind him from Cane that went backwards and was recovered, so that wasn't all on Tupaea. Rieko had more overall turnovers in the game.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@reprobate one of his drops was massively significant, him catching the ball was crucial to the move they had up thier sleeve (or were winging) the throw was nigh on perfect
The bad drop from the long throw was poor. The other was from a pass behind him from Cane that went backwards and was recovered, so that wasn't all on Tupaea. Rieko had more overall turnovers in the game.
@Bovidae point I made in the following post is errors like that happen to teams/players when they lack clarity, are over thinking, low on confidence, all these things also mean things start to bounce away from you too...compounding issues.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@reprobate one of his drops was massively significant, him catching the ball was crucial to the move they had up thier sleeve (or were winging) the throw was nigh on perfect
The bad drop from the long throw was poor. The other was from a pass behind him from Cane that went backwards and was recovered, so that wasn't all on Tupaea. Rieko had more overall turnovers in the game.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@reprobate one of his drops was massively significant, him catching the ball was crucial to the move they had up thier sleeve (or were winging) the throw was nigh on perfect
The bad drop from the long throw was poor. The other was from a pass behind him from Cane that went backwards and was recovered, so that wasn't all on Tupaea. Rieko had more overall turnovers in the game.
The highlights I watched he also threw a very unnecessary skip pass in our 22 which led to a turnover late in the game
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The simple thing to do is that players need to leave the field to be attended by medical staff, and play continues. You would find that most of these "injured" players are back to their feet quickly.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The simple thing to do is that players need to leave the field to be attended by medical staff, and play continues. You would find that most of these "injured" players are back to their feet quickly.
And cannot return until the next whistle
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The simple thing to do is that players need to leave the field to be attended by medical staff, and play continues. You would find that most of these "injured" players are back to their feet quickly.
And cannot return until the next whistle
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The simple thing to do is that players need to leave the field to be attended by medical staff, and play continues. You would find that most of these "injured" players are back to their feet quickly.
And cannot return until the next whistle
Same with water set up a table either side of halfway if you want a drink you big nancys
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
and dropping ball is uncharacteristic for him
Is it? He seemed to have gotten better for the chiefs since making the ABs, but I have a vague memory of his handling being pretty poor at times for the chiefs before that.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
and dropping ball is uncharacteristic for him
Is it? He seemed to have gotten better for the chiefs since making the ABs, but I have a vague memory of his handling being pretty poor at times for the chiefs before that.
He's a frustratingly inconsistent player.
Every few matches he'll have a game where he starts dropping balls or giving away penalties.
He's not the only one and basically a microcosm for the whole team.
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Just confirmed a free ticket for Saturday. Boom.
There's just the small matter of pacing myself at the Trentham races earlier in the day.
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Just confirmed a free ticket for Saturday. Boom.
There's just the small matter of pacing myself at the Trentham races earlier in the day.
full send right from lunchtime
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@MrDenmore said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Leinster’s head coach on how Ireland defused the All Blacks’ front row defence. https://twitter.com/brettruganalyst/status/1546240815143460865?s=21&t=ZV-SzHUWAueOoPqayoPU-g
O'Gara reckons AB/NZ man marking makes it easy to dupe with ball movement. He says NH midfields ball watch, and much less susceptible.
@pakman so nice of Irish coaches to offer Foster's team coaching tips!
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Just confirmed a free ticket for Saturday. Boom.
There's just the small matter of pacing myself at the Trentham races earlier in the day.
@Smudge said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Just confirmed a free ticket for Saturday. Boom.
There's just the small matter of pacing myself at the Trentham races earlier in the day.
Which race are you starting in?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Foz has confirmed Clarke won't be fit.
So like Lord that's a second wasted spot in the original squad.
At least we got to have a look at Faingaanuku and he got to learn some harsh lessons. I can't see him repeating that performance.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Foz has confirmed Clarke won't be fit.
So like Lord that's a second wasted spot in the original squad.
At least we got to have a look at Faingaanuku and he got to learn some harsh lessons. I can't see him repeating that performance.
Why would you think that?
Anyone who's been watching Leicester knows he's still good for a couple of errors a game.
He's significantly better than he was 12 months ago, though so hopefully he continues to improve.
