All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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I’m not really sure what LF can do there as an isolated defender tbh. Sometimes you just have to give credit to the opposition whose phase play and quick ball has completely fractured the defensive structure. The problem is that it’s happening in front of him at speed with multiple options available, one of which is a short ball to Beirne, Irelands most dangerous line breaker. Imo there’s no illegality there as Aki takes the pass wide of the decoy runners.
As an Ireland fan it’s been a bit frustrating watching Ireland fail to develop a proper attacking structure over the years, mainly because Joe was risk averse and didn’t seem to trust Irish players skill sets, but at our best now we appear to be creating situations like this regularly and players have the freedom to try things within that structure.
It’s all predicated, though, on control of the breakdown, and, as we saw in the first test, if we don’t get that then we start making mistakes and conceding penalties and scores. I’ll be shocked therefore if the ABs don’t come out of the blocks hard on Saturday looking to put numbers into the breakdown and kill Irelands attack at source. Wayne Barnes will have a big influence here, as he refs the breakdown much differently to Peyper, who generally allows a lot of freedom to the attacking team. Barnes has developed into an excellent ref, who show consistency in his application of the laws, so it could come down to who reads him best.
A bit more longwinded than I’d hoped as a first post, but I’ve been reading this forum for a few years, not always agreeing with some of the views, but I’ve enjoyed getting a different perspective from, for the most part, informed supporters.
@Halfout welcome to the Fern. We like the Irish, but watch out for that @Derm-McCrum character. He doesn’t play by the Fern rules…
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@Halfout welcome to the Fern. We like the Irish, but watch out for that @Derm-McCrum character. He doesn’t play by the Fern rules…
Seems like a very knowledgable and evenhanded poster to me. We’re almost like twins actually.
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Bryn Hall with the analysis here, explaining in depth about how the Ireland blocking game is so good that our contestables are no longer working and we are giving them the ball in a good part of the field (essentially giving them every opportunity for territory):
Starts from about 9:50 on that point but the analysis here is already miles beyond 'The Breakdown'
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@Halfout said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I’m not really sure what LF can do there as an isolated defender tbh.
Rather than do nothing, do something is always best
@Bones I agree, even a half hearted attempt at the outside man to highlight a possible obstruction, which willlikely slow him down, taking him out of the next phase, maybe even brush into Aki, which would then have to get a penalty, or he is pinged for taking a man without the ball, penalty that the ref likely blows right away, shot at posts, no try
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When I watch that highlight reel, all I see is Ireland quick ball. Every single carry resulting in a solid clean and quick ball. Yeah they target props , yeah they have options both sides, yeah, maybe they put runners in front in borderline positions
But it's really fucking hard to do any of that if your ball is slow to come out. And theirs certainly is not. Their clean out and support play is fantastic, and our offensive tackling and counter ruck is, well, not.
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When I watch that highlight reel, all I see is Ireland quick ball. Every single carry resulting in a solid clean and quick ball. Yeah they target props , yeah they have options both sides, yeah, maybe they put runners in front in borderline positions
But it's really fucking hard to do any of that if your ball is slow to come out. And theirs certainly is not. Their clean out and support play is fantastic, and our offensive tackling and counter ruck is, well, not.
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@voodoo it's smart play to have your cleaners already positioned where the tackle will be made. Makes it nigh on impossible for the opposition to target the tackle area when you're stopping them getting there before it's even happened.
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@voodoo it's smart play to have your cleaners already positioned where the tackle will be made. Makes it nigh on impossible for the opposition to target the tackle area when you're stopping them getting there before it's even happened.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
it's smart play to have your cleaners already positioned where the tackle will be made.
easy when our play is so predictable on both sides.
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All Blacks prop Angus Ta’avao has copped a three-week suspension on the back of his red card last weekend.
Not that he would be playing anyway due to concussion.
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All Blacks prop Angus Ta’avao has copped a three-week suspension on the back of his red card last weekend.
Not that he would be playing anyway due to concussion.
@Bovidae what a joke.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
it's smart play to have your cleaners already positioned where the tackle will be made.
easy when our play is so predictable on both sides.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
it's smart play to have your cleaners already positioned where the tackle will be made.
easy when our play is so predictable on both sides.
We need to station our cleaners 10m behind the advantage line.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
it's smart play to have your cleaners already positioned where the tackle will be made.
easy when our play is so predictable on both sides.
We need to station our cleaners 10m behind the advantage line.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
it's smart play to have your cleaners already positioned where the tackle will be made.
easy when our play is so predictable on both sides.
We need to station our cleaners 10m
behindin front of the advantage line.fixed that for ya
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
it's smart play to have your cleaners already positioned where the tackle will be made.
easy when our play is so predictable on both sides.
We need to station our cleaners 10m
behindin front of the advantage line.fixed that for ya
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
it's smart play to have your cleaners already positioned where the tackle will be made.
easy when our play is so predictable on both sides.
We need to station our cleaners 10m
behindin front of the advantage line.fixed that for ya
Then they'll be twenty metres in front of the ball carrier!
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Bryn Hall with the analysis here, explaining in depth about how the Ireland blocking game is so good that our contestables are no longer working and we are giving them the ball in a good part of the field (essentially giving them every opportunity for territory):
Starts from about 9:50 on that point but the analysis here is already miles beyond 'The Breakdown'
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Bryn Hall with the analysis here, explaining in depth about how the Ireland blocking game is so good that our contestables are no longer working and we are giving them the ball in a good part of the field (essentially giving them every opportunity for territory):
Starts from about 9:50 on that point but the analysis here is already miles beyond 'The Breakdown'
Interesting comparisons between the styles Cane and paps play.
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All Blacks prop Angus Ta’avao has copped a three-week suspension on the back of his red card last weekend.
Not that he would be playing anyway due to concussion.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
All Blacks prop Angus Ta’avao has copped a three-week suspension on the back of his red card last weekend.
Not that he would be playing anyway due to concussion.
WHAT??!!
fucking
LOL
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
All Blacks prop Angus Ta’avao has copped a three-week suspension on the back of his red card last weekend.
Not that he would be playing anyway due to concussion.
WHAT??!!
fucking
LOL
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
All Blacks prop Angus Ta’avao has copped a three-week suspension on the back of his red card last weekend.
Not that he would be playing anyway due to concussion.
WHAT??!!
fucking
LOL
His problem was that he didn’t deliberately head-butt him, then he could have got a week off.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
All Blacks prop Angus Ta’avao has copped a three-week suspension on the back of his red card last weekend.
Not that he would be playing anyway due to concussion.
WHAT??!!
fucking
LOL
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
All Blacks prop Angus Ta’avao has copped a three-week suspension on the back of his red card last weekend.
Not that he would be playing anyway due to concussion.
WHAT??!!
fucking
LOL
it's consistent with other decisionsOK I looked it up. Tom Banks got let off. Who knows now, this is like the old contact with the kicker - France 15 red carded on Beauden Barrett, then let off on review. It's crazy.
https://rugbyonslaught.com/sanzaar-issue-verdict-over-tom-banks-divisive-red-card/
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Bryn Hall with the analysis here, explaining in depth about how the Ireland blocking game is so good that our contestables are no longer working and we are giving them the ball in a good part of the field (essentially giving them every opportunity for territory):
Starts from about 9:50 on that point but the analysis here is already miles beyond 'The Breakdown'
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Bryn Hall with the analysis here, explaining in depth about how the Ireland blocking game is so good that our contestables are no longer working and we are giving them the ball in a good part of the field (essentially giving them every opportunity for territory):
Starts from about 9:50 on that point but the analysis here is already miles beyond 'The Breakdown'
It's certainly better than the Breakdown but some of their takes on current NZ players are a waste of time as Bryn is a current player and Parsons is on the NZRPA.
No player is ever criticised, player depth is always amazing etc.
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@reprobate Irish rugby fans are the nastiest, chippiest bunch of assholes I've met in person. I had a salesman come to my lab at a university in London and have a go at me about NZ rugby and "cheating" etc. Awful people. I cannot bear to lose to them. On the other hand, I desperately want these incompetent idiot coaches gone. Rugby is one of the very few remaining sources of national pride.
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@reprobate Irish rugby fans are the nastiest, chippiest bunch of assholes I've met in person. I had a salesman come to my lab at a university in London and have a go at me about NZ rugby and "cheating" etc. Awful people. I cannot bear to lose to them. On the other hand, I desperately want these incompetent idiot coaches gone. Rugby is one of the very few remaining sources of national pride.
Oh the irony in this post. Get that miserable chip off your shoulder and take a step back. Irish fans are among the best in the sport. Respectful of the kicker in every game (unlike you lot), gracious in defeat and also respectable in victory, especially rare ones against the ABs. You coming up with that synopsis from one example of an "irishman" you met says a lot more about you than your so called opinion. What a bitter soul you obviously have!
To be perfectly honest, since I've joined this forum back before the last World Cup it's certainly been an eye opener. I've met plenty of kiwis and found them absolute salt of the earth genuine folk and likened them as a SH version of the Irish people. But this place has shown some of you guys to have the most bigoted outlooks bordering on racism and almost small town American redneck type narrow mindedness that's surprised my view of the people.
But, unlike the dickhead above (Tim), my view of the kiwis will never be skewed by the odd bad egg and they AB team will remain my second favourite team after my home country.
I'm not expecting Ireland to win the series on Saturday, the ABs will bounce back from the last game to take the series, and I will say they will do it convincingly.
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Sam should have retorted that at least he has played in a RWC final and has the winners medal to prove it.
