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All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider

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  • Dan54D Dan54

    @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

    Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

    Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

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    @Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

    @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

    Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

    Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

    But Samisoni is effective at test level.

    He was effective on the weekend.

    He got 25 minutes off the bench when were one man down and made the most running metres of any AB forward in the game.

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      so i assume the presser hasn't happened

      what does selection tell us?

      Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
      Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

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      • TimT Tim

        @Crucial Yeah, and his carrying was excellent in that game. He's the best front row forward we have.

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        @Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

        @Crucial Yeah, and his carrying was excellent in that game. He's the best front row forward we have.

        Last game he made the 4th most metres ball in hand only behind Jordie, Jordan and Rieko.

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          @Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

          @Crucial Yeah, and his carrying was excellent in that game. He's the best front row forward we have.

          Last game he made the 4th most metres ball in hand only behind Jordie, Jordan and Rieko.

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          @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

          @Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

          @Crucial Yeah, and his carrying was excellent in that game. He's the best front row forward we have.

          Last game he made the 4th most metres ball in hand only behind Jordie, Jordan and Rieko.

          so other than tackling and ball carrying he's adding fuck all? gotcha

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            @Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

            @Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

            Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

            and coached
            and served on the committee for a decade

            but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

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            @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

            @Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

            @Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

            Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

            and coached
            and served on the committee for a decade

            but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

            Must be the impression you give 🙂

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            • CrucialC Crucial

              @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

              Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

              and coached
              and served on the committee for a decade

              but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

              Must be the impression you give 🙂

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              @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

              @Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

              Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

              and coached
              and served on the committee for a decade

              but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

              Must be the impression you give 🙂

              no, that impression of being a bombastic know-it-all but with little clue is actually real, but not because i have no clubland links

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                Media release:
                https://www.allblacks.com/news/all-blacks-named-for-third-steinlager-series-test/

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                  • Dan54D Dan54

                    @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                    Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

                    Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

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                    @Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                    @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                    Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

                    Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

                    Coming back to this post. You either haven't watched him playing in black or are thinking of someone else. There is no way in hell that comment can be justified.
                    No stats required to see him driving forward and making tackles better than anyone else we have. You could even rate him among the best in the world at hooker.
                    If he isn't injured I'll will remove all benefit of doubt I have been giving these coaches.

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                    • CrucialC Crucial

                      I know I harp on about 10s but the test game at the moment is not suited to either of our best 10s. We are missing a game controller. Both BB and RM play off instinct rather than break teams down. RM can break down poor teams but not good ones, which requires better kicking from hand than he has.
                      It is fair to say that we aren't running an attack from other players for these guys can feed into but also maybe there is an element of having to try and run a game that suits them?
                      I think we are in some fairly medium/long term strife as we have a generation of 10s and coaches that have grown up emulating a style that isn't effective at the moment given the changes to defensive systems.
                      Put a DC in this AB side and you'd see a massive difference from his ability to steer us around the park. Even a Cruden would do a better job..

                      We are complaining that our gameplan seems to rely on individual brilliance but then have two 10s that have always played that way.

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                      @Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                      We are complaining that our gameplan seems to rely on individual brilliance but then have two 10s that have always played that way.

                      I wonder if Perofeta, Zarn Sullivan or even David Havili might be better in those spots post World Cup.

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                      • StargazerS Stargazer

                        @Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                        @Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                        @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                        Don't know what the reason is that Sotutu doesn't get a run, but if they're not going to use him, can they please bring in Cullen Grace for the Rugby Championship?

                        I wonder if that part of it Star? Have they already decided that Grace has made a statement for MABs, so will not gavie Sotutu a run. Also after this week a smaller squad has to be named for RC anyway, so some will miss out.

                        Although, why (if it happened) ditch Sotutu though when PGS has had a poor start to internationals?

                        Yeah, that's just weird. Probably it's just due to something we're not seeing and that they're seeing at training (?).

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                        @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                        @Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                        @Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                        @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                        Don't know what the reason is that Sotutu doesn't get a run, but if they're not going to use him, can they please bring in Cullen Grace for the Rugby Championship?

                        I wonder if that part of it Star? Have they already decided that Grace has made a statement for MABs, so will not gavie Sotutu a run. Also after this week a smaller squad has to be named for RC anyway, so some will miss out.

                        Although, why (if it happened) ditch Sotutu though when PGS has had a poor start to internationals?

                        Yeah, that's just weird. Probably it's just due to something we're not seeing and that they're seeing at training (?).

                        It's Foster's super secret insight into the players.

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                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                          so i assume the presser hasn't happened

                          what does selection tell us?

                          Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
                          Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

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                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                          so i assume the presser hasn't happened

                          what does selection tell us?

                          Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
                          Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

                          absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another kicking option, Im also guessing Akira gives them more versatility in back row, covers lock and 6/8 which they may prefer to keep as many big bodies on the field. We know Dalton is 6/7 but likely might use him as 7 only this time depending on injury

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                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                            so i assume the presser hasn't happened

                            what does selection tell us?

                            Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
                            Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

                            absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another kicking option, Im also guessing Akira gives them more versatility in back row, covers lock and 6/8 which they may prefer to keep as many big bodies on the field. We know Dalton is 6/7 but likely might use him as 7 only this time depending on injury

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                            @bayimports actually that's a good point about the bench

                            if we have two guys that will probably play 80 in the loosies why two on the bench? One lock will sit down, and SB will shift. who else goes?

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                              @bayimports actually that's a good point about the bench

                              if we have two guys that will probably play 80 in the loosies why two on the bench? One lock will sit down, and SB will shift. who else goes?

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                              @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                              @bayimports actually that's a good point about the bench

                              if we have two guys that will probably play 80 in the loosies why two on the bench? One lock will sit down, and SB will shift. who else goes?

                              the one who is carded of course

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                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                so i assume the presser hasn't happened

                                what does selection tell us?

                                Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
                                Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

                                absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another kicking option, Im also guessing Akira gives them more versatility in back row, covers lock and 6/8 which they may prefer to keep as many big bodies on the field. We know Dalton is 6/7 but likely might use him as 7 only this time depending on injury

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                                @bayimports said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                so i assume the presser hasn't happened

                                what does selection tell us?

                                Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
                                Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

                                absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another at least one kicking option,

                                Fixed. Oh for the days when we had Carter and Dagg on the field.

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                                • Dan54D Dan54

                                  @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                  Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

                                  Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

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                                  @Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                  @Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                  Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

                                  Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

                                  You clearly didn't pay any attention to Taylor or Sami' in the last two games (or in all the games last year for that matter). I can therefore only conclude you aren't you aren't a true rugby man.

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                                    @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                    @Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                    @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                    I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

                                    ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

                                    If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

                                    For the Warriors RTS was generally covering for 12 dunderheads and having to account for most of the attacking metres for his side at the same time.

                                    Yes that goes without saying. But if you look at when he played at the Roosters it was the same. The most noticeable is the grab tackle where he gets pushed off. It’s just a work on for him.

                                    In general, his defense has been better than QT and Havili in SR despite having less experience than them.

                                    Strangely, he is quite good at reads already. I thought that was going to be his biggest weakness on defense.

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                                    @Dice said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                    @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                    @Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                    @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                    I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

                                    ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

                                    If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

                                    For the Warriors RTS was generally covering for 12 dunderheads and having to account for most of the attacking metres for his side at the same time.

                                    Yes that goes without saying. But if you look at when he played at the Roosters it was the same. The most noticeable is the grab tackle where he gets pushed off. It’s just a work on for him.

                                    In general, his defense has been better than QT and Havili in SR despite having less experience than them.

                                    Strangely, he is quite good at reads already. I thought that was going to be his biggest weakness on defense.

                                    Yep he is not bad - our D was poor last week, we played a lot without the ball for various reasons. Hope we do better.

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                                      just a few thoughts, agree with others Samisoni should obviously be in the team, Extremely happy Fakatava remains in the side🙂 ditto Ross, Sotutu didn't feature this series🤔 I hope Dave Havili can bring his form from the final to the cake tin this Saturday & well Roger I wish him all the best!

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                                        @Dice said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                        @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                        @Nepia said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                        @kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                        I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

                                        ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

                                        If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

                                        For the Warriors RTS was generally covering for 12 dunderheads and having to account for most of the attacking metres for his side at the same time.

                                        Yes that goes without saying. But if you look at when he played at the Roosters it was the same. The most noticeable is the grab tackle where he gets pushed off. It’s just a work on for him.

                                        In general, his defense has been better than QT and Havili in SR despite having less experience than them.

                                        Strangely, he is quite good at reads already. I thought that was going to be his biggest weakness on defense.

                                        Yep he is not bad - our D was poor last week, we played a lot without the ball for various reasons. Hope we do better.

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                                        @kev But who is he intended to sub for do you think? Haven’t seen much to suggest he’s an international standard centre to sub Reiko, and if he subs Havili has he got a decent positional kicking game?

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                                          @bayimports said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

                                          so i assume the presser hasn't happened

                                          what does selection tell us?

                                          Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
                                          Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.

                                          absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted another at least one kicking option,

                                          Fixed. Oh for the days when we had Carter and Dagg on the field.

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                                          @JC judging by DCs social media account, he keeps in good nick, could be another option...seriously though he seems to a bit of coaching and technique stuff, bring him in, Peter.Breen does.alot of good work re technique on Rugby Bricks too, not like these guys won't.have ideas

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