All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.
That’s the one I looked at. Easier to use than Lassen. You just have to use a NH calendar
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Pretty predictable team.
I wonder if Jack Goodhue isn't fully fit or whether Fozzie's just preferred Havili - who from what I've seen is a better kicking option than Jack.
Will Jordan in for Big Leicester improves that aspect as well. (FLASH AH, AHHHH....)!!!
As with others, ST and RTS (non) selections are pretty surprising. Otherwise it's pretty predictable. Sotutu not getting a run is a bit unfortunate, but I can see why they want Ardie on the field.
Even as a Mo'unga fan, I wonder whether they should have given Perofeta his spot on the bench. I don't really hold with the idea of tactically substituting your first five and Perofeta sufficiently covers first five in case of injury.
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Our forwards have been problematic for three years. Plumtree has never coached a dominant forward pack. How he leads the AB's in this area is bemusing. Our loose trio has been out of balance and will continue to be until we pick a genuine number 8. Ardie is not an 8 and goes missing in his core role. We need an 8 that can get us over the gain-line from static ball & shift bodies at the breakdown. Barrett at 6 and Cane at 7 is a requirement when you have an 8 like Ardie. Pick him at 7 if we think he is the best openside (I personally don't think he is) but let's get an 8 that can perform the core role required.
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so i assume the presser hasn't happened
what does selection tell us?
Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Havili in means probably as much if not more aimless kicking, just by someone else.
Fixed
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Haven't read the thread yet. I'm going to calmly go back and read now and see Taukieaho is unavailable, right?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129271632/all-blacks-new-cap-roger-tuivasasheck-gets-coachs-nod-for-confidence-and-calmness#comments
" What that tells Havili is that he will not play 80min. "I'd have thought Havili might need to be fb cover in case the backline needs shuffling, sure Jordan can replace JB but who would replace a winger? Don't tell me JB is wing as well as midfield cover!??
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If ST was dumped for Taylor I will not know what to say.
Taylor is missing impact, passes, tackles... seems to have slipped mightily since a few years ago.I'm not so upset about Hoskins, a fine 8 in the making but it is getting to the stage where I worry this ABs setup will give him some bad habits...
Looks like he was “dumped” for Coles given Taylor is in the same spot he has been all series…
Just on Taylor, his attack was okay in Test 1. Thought his throwing and support play was starting to come good. His tight work wasn’t where we needed it and then he was shocking last weekend. And Sami wasn’t great either. Only front rower that played okay was Bower I thought.
Anyway I have a little bit of faith that he will come out with a bit of fire and step up.
I never thought Sotutu would get a start in this series but thought he may have been a bench option, but they clearly like the Dalton option.
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@bayimports said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
so i assume the presser hasn't happened
what does selection tell us?
Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted
anotherat least one kicking option,Fixed. Oh for the days when we had Carter and Dagg on the field.
@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@bayimports said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
so i assume the presser hasn't happened
what does selection tell us?
Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.absolutely, my take is ST injured/Covid , Havili is the acknowledgement they wanted
anotherat least one kicking option,Fixed. Oh for the days when we had Carter and Dagg on the field.
And Nonu and Conrad
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Haven't read the thread yet. I'm going to calmly go back and read now and see Taukieaho is unavailable, right?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
you should get down to club rugby and stand on sidelines in rain etc, gives you appreciation of what rugby is in real world.
lol fuck off
no nerve touched, i just wonder why people like you even come here?
so I'm not the oldest Ferner!
@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
you should get down to club rugby and stand on sidelines in rain etc, gives you appreciation of what rugby is in real world.
lol fuck off
no nerve touched, i just wonder why people like you even come here?
so I'm not the oldest Ferner!
Bastard!!!!!!
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129271632/all-blacks-new-cap-roger-tuivasasheck-gets-coachs-nod-for-confidence-and-calmness#comments
" What that tells Havili is that he will not play 80min. "I'd have thought Havili might need to be fb cover in case the backline needs shuffling, sure Jordan can replace JB but who would replace a winger? Don't tell me JB is wing as well as midfield cover!??
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129271632/all-blacks-new-cap-roger-tuivasasheck-gets-coachs-nod-for-confidence-and-calmness#comments
" What that tells Havili is that he will not play 80min. "I'd have thought Havili might need to be fb cover in case the backline needs shuffling, sure Jordan can replace JB but who would replace a winger? Don't tell me JB is wing as well as midfield cover!??
I'm not sure why that's in reply to a post about Taukieaho.
Anyway I've read the thread now and am fucking gobsmacked. Lost what little faith I had left in this coaching group, what a bunch of Fucktards.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54. Irish pretty much at full strength bar Ringrose. But Aki might me a bigger handful for Havili and RTS. Henshaw good enough for either Jersey.
Bundee will be off his game. I had a quick chat to him in the stands the other night and reminded him (gently) of his CM and Chiefs roots.
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54. Irish pretty much at full strength bar Ringrose. But Aki might me a bigger handful for Havili and RTS. Henshaw good enough for either Jersey.
Bundee will be off his game. I had a quick chat to him in the stands the other night and reminded him (gently) of his CM and Chiefs roots.
Are you guys going for breakfast ?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54. Irish pretty much at full strength bar Ringrose. But Aki might me a bigger handful for Havili and RTS. Henshaw good enough for either Jersey.
Bundee will be off his game. I had a quick chat to him in the stands the other night and reminded him (gently) of his CM and Chiefs roots.
Are you guys going for breakfast ?
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@ARHS said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54. Irish pretty much at full strength bar Ringrose. But Aki might me a bigger handful for Havili and RTS. Henshaw good enough for either Jersey.
Bundee will be off his game. I had a quick chat to him in the stands the other night and reminded him (gently) of his CM and Chiefs roots.
Are you guys going for breakfast ?
@jegga ‘s reserved a table
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Just when you think Foster couldn't surprise you anymore, he explains the omission of ST with "we wanted to give all 3 hookers a run".
It's quite staggering when you step back and read that explanation.
It's the sort of thing I'd expect from the coach of my U9 sons soccer team. To hear it as the reason for including a bloke who has played 80 tests for NZ , at the expense of the best #2 in the squad, in a series-deciding game at home, is truly astonishing.
Unbelievable
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Just when you think Foster couldn't surprise you anymore, he explains the omission of ST with "we wanted to give all 3 hookers a run".
It's quite staggering when you step back and read that explanation.
It's the sort of thing I'd expect from the coach of my U9 sons soccer team. To hear it as the reason for including a bloke who has played 80 tests for NZ , at the expense of the best #2 in the squad, in a series-deciding game at home, is truly astonishing.
Unbelievable
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Just when you think Foster couldn't surprise you anymore, he explains the omission of ST with "we wanted to give all 3 hookers a run".
It's quite staggering when you step back and read that explanation.
It's the sort of thing I'd expect from the coach of my U9 sons soccer team. To hear it as the reason for including a bloke who has played 80 tests for NZ , at the expense of the best #2 in the squad, in a series-deciding game at home, is truly astonishing.
Unbelievable
If they want to give all 3 hookers a run, why is the worst one starting all 3 tests and playing far too many minutes when he does so? It's a staggeringly bullshit explanation.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
I will add that last night it occured to me what I finding most disconcerting about the position we find ourselves in (or ABs) and the reaction on rugby forums. We are tied in a test series and 4th on the rankings in world rugby, and while being a bit disppointed, not as disappointed as maybe the reaction on forums by so called AB supporters, there seems almost no credit given to Ireland for winning 2nd test, only tearing clothes and screaming about how poor ABs were, want to know something Irish were bloody good and made us look poor, and we 4th on rankings, prehaps French (in my opinion clearly best team), Ireland , and Boks (though I feel some of theirs is residual points from year off) just deserve to be in the positions they are in. When I was thinking of it I was thinking how much as a rugby nation we used to enjoy and celebrate bloody good teams and players, 71 Lions tour the whole of NZ knew all the Lion's players, and while wanting ABs to win would seemingly enjoy the Edwards, Johns, Gibson ete, etc skils, same as Wallabies when they had the likes of Ella, Campese, Eales etc, why has it in internet days changed where we can't give the likes of Doris, Sexton etc credit for being good players? I an starting to understand why maybe AB supporters are disliked by others at times.
Ok my rant over, but I think it came to me when I wondered why I was disappointed to miss club rugby this weekend while going to test, and that's one thing that came to mind, we don't think it our right to win at the club etc.It's not about a 'right to win', it's frustration with no game plan, seeing talented players underperform, and weird selections not based on form.
As for not celebrating players from other countries - for me and many others on here, that is just bullshit. We're not talking about O'driscoll, Horan, Eales, Dusattoir, Burger etc - we're talking about James Lowe and JGP beating the ABs, a team they couldn't make.There is a proof, how do we know they wouldn't have made ABs? Hell look at Isaac Boss people said the same about him, and ignore the fact he turned down AB jersey when selected. I agree Lowe and JGP are better players than they appeared when they left country, and speaks to me of a very good club comp they are in, also shows what I mean in comparing the teams, you can only name NZ players in Irish team. I am disappointed as anyone , but reamain of the opinion we need to look at other teams and how good somw of their players are. All you did was rubbish Lowe and JGP and not actually given them credit for being good players.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
I will add that last night it occured to me what I finding most disconcerting about the position we find ourselves in (or ABs) and the reaction on rugby forums. We are tied in a test series and 4th on the rankings in world rugby, and while being a bit disppointed, not as disappointed as maybe the reaction on forums by so called AB supporters, there seems almost no credit given to Ireland for winning 2nd test, only tearing clothes and screaming about how poor ABs were, want to know something Irish were bloody good and made us look poor, and we 4th on rankings, prehaps French (in my opinion clearly best team), Ireland , and Boks (though I feel some of theirs is residual points from year off) just deserve to be in the positions they are in. When I was thinking of it I was thinking how much as a rugby nation we used to enjoy and celebrate bloody good teams and players, 71 Lions tour the whole of NZ knew all the Lion's players, and while wanting ABs to win would seemingly enjoy the Edwards, Johns, Gibson ete, etc skils, same as Wallabies when they had the likes of Ella, Campese, Eales etc, why has it in internet days changed where we can't give the likes of Doris, Sexton etc credit for being good players? I an starting to understand why maybe AB supporters are disliked by others at times.
Ok my rant over, but I think it came to me when I wondered why I was disappointed to miss club rugby this weekend while going to test, and that's one thing that came to mind, we don't think it our right to win at the club etc.It's not about a 'right to win', it's frustration with no game plan, seeing talented players underperform, and weird selections not based on form.
As for not celebrating players from other countries - for me and many others on here, that is just bullshit. We're not talking about O'driscoll, Horan, Eales, Dusattoir, Burger etc - we're talking about James Lowe and JGP beating the ABs, a team they couldn't make.There is a proof, how do we know they wouldn't have made ABs? Hell look at Isaac Boss people said the same about him, and ignore the fact he turned down AB jersey when selected. I agree Lowe and JGP are better players than they appeared when they left country, and speaks to me of a very good club comp they are in, also shows what I mean in comparing the teams, you can only name NZ players in Irish team. I am disappointed as anyone , but reamain of the opinion we need to look at other teams and how good somw of their players are. All you did was rubbish Lowe and JGP and not actually given them credit for being good players.
Because Aaron Smith is far superior, and back when Lowe started becoming Irish it'd be Ben Smith and Rieko Ioane, give or take. I have no idea what your point is with Isaac Boss.
I can't only name the NZ players, I used them as an example. There's a difference. Nor did I rubbish them, I just said they couldn't make the ABs, which is an indication that Ireland do not have the better players, which supports the argument understood by most that our coaches are fucking things up.
How about you start arguing points rather than using your posts to make arrogant assumptions about why the people disagreeing with you must be wrong?
