All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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Not sure but ABs won 12/16 lineouts. 4 missed when Taylor was throwing sounds about right
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Not sure but ABs won 12/16 lineouts. 4 missed when Taylor was throwing sounds about right
i remember an underthrow. An overthrow. On where Savea was unsurprisingly outjumped at the front after repeatedly going there. Can't remember the other
If we are fair Taylor hit a couple of peaches as well.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Not sure but ABs won 12/16 lineouts. 4 missed when Taylor was throwing sounds about right
i remember an underthrow. An overthrow. On where Savea was unsurprisingly outjumped at the front after repeatedly going there. Can't remember the other
If we are fair Taylor hit a couple of peaches as well.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Not sure but ABs won 12/16 lineouts. 4 missed when Taylor was throwing sounds about right
i remember an underthrow. An overthrow. On where Savea was unsurprisingly outjumped at the front after repeatedly going there. Can't remember the other
If we are fair Taylor hit a couple of peaches as well.
Watching Test 1 Ardie got cleaned out at lineout time early as well. You can't coach height, but you sure as shit can accept limitations of players and coach aroudn them.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Not sure but ABs won 12/16 lineouts. 4 missed when Taylor was throwing sounds about right
i remember an underthrow. An overthrow. On where Savea was unsurprisingly outjumped at the front after repeatedly going there. Can't remember the other
If we are fair Taylor hit a couple of peaches as well.
Watching Test 1 Ardie got cleaned out at lineout time early as well. You can't coach height, but you sure as shit can accept limitations of players and coach aroudn them.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Not sure but ABs won 12/16 lineouts. 4 missed when Taylor was throwing sounds about right
i remember an underthrow. An overthrow. On where Savea was unsurprisingly outjumped at the front after repeatedly going there. Can't remember the other
If we are fair Taylor hit a couple of peaches as well.
Watching Test 1 Ardie got cleaned out at lineout time early as well. You can't coach height, but you sure as shit can accept limitations of players and coach aroudn them.
Starting at 7 (or preferably coming off the bench) then I'm fully on board with Ardie, but he just isn't an 8.
We have to get some balance.
Right now, I'm leaning towards 6. Akira, 7. Savea, 8. Grace with Sotutu or Paps on the bench, if we must insist on Savea starting.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Not sure but ABs won 12/16 lineouts. 4 missed when Taylor was throwing sounds about right
i remember an underthrow. An overthrow. On where Savea was unsurprisingly outjumped at the front after repeatedly going there. Can't remember the other
If we are fair Taylor hit a couple of peaches as well.
Watching Test 1 Ardie got cleaned out at lineout time early as well. You can't coach height, but you sure as shit can accept limitations of players and coach aroudn them.
Starting at 7 (or preferably coming off the bench) then I'm fully on board with Ardie, but he just isn't an 8.
We have to get some balance.
Right now, I'm leaning towards 6. Akira, 7. Savea, 8. Grace with Sotutu or Paps on the bench, if we must insist on Savea starting.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Not sure but ABs won 12/16 lineouts. 4 missed when Taylor was throwing sounds about right
i remember an underthrow. An overthrow. On where Savea was unsurprisingly outjumped at the front after repeatedly going there. Can't remember the other
If we are fair Taylor hit a couple of peaches as well.
Watching Test 1 Ardie got cleaned out at lineout time early as well. You can't coach height, but you sure as shit can accept limitations of players and coach aroudn them.
Starting at 7 (or preferably coming off the bench) then I'm fully on board with Ardie, but he just isn't an 8.
We have to get some balance.
Right now, I'm leaning towards 6. Akira, 7. Savea, 8. Grace with Sotutu or Paps on the bench, if we must insist on Savea starting.
I'm beginning to think Akira or Savea are battling it out for an early second half or 40 mins off the bench, a starting 6 like Blackadder (or Jacobson or even Robinson?) who will run into everything at full speed and clobber as hard as they can, a 7 like (Dalton, Savea? Cane looks battle weary), and a solid lineout 8 (Grace, Sotutu?)
Grace can play 6 too, right? I frankly still prefer Ardie at 7 as a starter (but others might choose Dalton)..that would mean Grace/Akira/Jacobson on the bench if Grace is not starting 8.
I like the idea of starting Blackadder, Ardie and Sotutu actually (I guess I haven't seen enough of Grace). Would have liked to have seen Robinson tried once at 6 though.
(I'm quite surprised Dalton didn't play well at 6 by the way). -
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Not sure but ABs won 12/16 lineouts. 4 missed when Taylor was throwing sounds about right
i remember an underthrow. An overthrow. On where Savea was unsurprisingly outjumped at the front after repeatedly going there. Can't remember the other
If we are fair Taylor hit a couple of peaches as well.
Watching Test 1 Ardie got cleaned out at lineout time early as well. You can't coach height, but you sure as shit can accept limitations of players and coach aroudn them.
Starting at 7 (or preferably coming off the bench) then I'm fully on board with Ardie, but he just isn't an 8.
We have to get some balance.
Right now, I'm leaning towards 6. Akira, 7. Savea, 8. Grace with Sotutu or Paps on the bench, if we must insist on Savea starting.
I'm beginning to think Akira or Savea are battling it out for an early second half or 40 mins off the bench, a starting 6 like Blackadder (or Jacobson or even Robinson?) who will run into everything at full speed and clobber as hard as they can, a 7 like (Dalton, Savea? Cane looks battle weary), and a solid lineout 8 (Grace, Sotutu?)
Grace can play 6 too, right? I frankly still prefer Ardie at 7 as a starter (but others might choose Dalton)..that would mean Grace/Akira/Jacobson on the bench if Grace is not starting 8.
I like the idea of starting Blackadder, Ardie and Sotutu actually (I guess I haven't seen enough of Grace). Would have liked to have seen Robinson tried once at 6 though.
(I'm quite surprised Dalton didn't play well at 6 by the way). -
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Not sure but ABs won 12/16 lineouts. 4 missed when Taylor was throwing sounds about right
i remember an underthrow. An overthrow. On where Savea was unsurprisingly outjumped at the front after repeatedly going there. Can't remember the other
If we are fair Taylor hit a couple of peaches as well.
Watching Test 1 Ardie got cleaned out at lineout time early as well. You can't coach height, but you sure as shit can accept limitations of players and coach aroudn them.
Starting at 7 (or preferably coming off the bench) then I'm fully on board with Ardie, but he just isn't an 8.
We have to get some balance.
Right now, I'm leaning towards 6. Akira, 7. Savea, 8. Grace with Sotutu or Paps on the bench, if we must insist on Savea starting.
I'm beginning to think Akira or Savea are battling it out for an early second half or 40 mins off the bench, a starting 6 like Blackadder (or Jacobson or even Robinson?) who will run into everything at full speed and clobber as hard as they can, a 7 like (Dalton, Savea? Cane looks battle weary), and a solid lineout 8 (Grace, Sotutu?)
Grace can play 6 too, right? I frankly still prefer Ardie at 7 as a starter (but others might choose Dalton)..that would mean Grace/Akira/Jacobson on the bench if Grace is not starting 8.
I like the idea of starting Blackadder, Ardie and Sotutu actually (I guess I haven't seen enough of Grace). Would have liked to have seen Robinson tried once at 6 though.
(I'm quite surprised Dalton didn't play well at 6 by the way).@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Cane looks battle weary
It's a strange one eh - did he even get in a decent amount of super rugby?
My brother swears by Blackadder on the blind, reckons he hurts people - but I just think he's a slightly smaller version of Grace - another 7.5 with a big motor. Just off the eye test anyway.
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@nostrildamus When has Blackadder played half as well as Ioane did on Saturday at 6? Last year his impact was mediocre in tests, even if he appeared busy.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@nostrildamus When has Blackadder played half as well as Ioane did on Saturday at 6? Last year his impact was mediocre in tests, even if he appeared busy.
I think mediocre is a little harsh but I grant you sometimes he doesn't look very efficient.
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Another BS call by Barnes I see (Porter cited)
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Another BS call by Barnes I see (Porter cited)
As good as he's now become, it seems to still be a thing that he will fairly regularly come up with a "crunch" call.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Another BS call by Barnes I see (Porter cited)
As good as he's now become, it seems to still be a thing that he will fairly regularly come up with a "crunch" call.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Another BS call by Barnes I see (Porter cited)
As good as he's now become, it seems to still be a thing that he will fairly regularly come up with a "crunch" call.
He's a miles better ref than in 2007, although I find he tends to be fairly vigilant in the first half then fairly laissez-faire in the 2nd.
I really didn't get this call though - it was a carbon copy of the week before, and this notion of Porter "absorbing" the tackle was absurd.
I would have been annoyed if the ABs required 15 vs 14 to win though, you can't be building a team around that.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Another BS call by Barnes I see (Porter cited)
As good as he's now become, it seems to still be a thing that he will fairly regularly come up with a "crunch" call.
He's a miles better ref than in 2007, although I find he tends to be fairly vigilant in the first half then fairly laissez-faire in the 2nd.
I really didn't get this call though - it was a carbon copy of the week before, and this notion of Porter "absorbing" the tackle was absurd.
I would have been annoyed if the ABs required 15 vs 14 to win though, you can't be building a team around that.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Another BS call by Barnes I see (Porter cited)
As good as he's now become, it seems to still be a thing that he will fairly regularly come up with a "crunch" call.
He's a miles better ref than in 2007, although I find he tends to be fairly vigilant in the first half then fairly laissez-faire in the 2nd.
I really didn't get this call though - it was a carbon copy of the week before, and this notion of Porter "absorbing" the tackle was absurd.
I would have been annoyed if the ABs required 15 vs 14 to win though, you can't be building a team around that.
He has a history of these non-calls. Didn't he do something similar in the Premiership final by not sending off the Saracens scrumhalf for a shoulder to the head?
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Which is if fellas?
Cards or no cards?
You can’t have both, and moan when it suits you
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Which is if fellas?
Cards or no cards?
You can’t have both, and moan when it suits you
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Which is if fellas?
Cards or no cards?
You can’t have both, and moan when it suits you
We want cards or no cards and clarity.
Right now we get cards one week, and no cards the next week. That's the complaint
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Which is if fellas?
Cards or no cards?
You can’t have both, and moan when it suits you
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Which is if fellas?
Cards or no cards?
You can’t have both, and moan when it suits you
Yellows, not reds except for genuine nasty filth.
dish out further punishment later on when there isn't time pressure and you can have the same people making every decision, and therefore consistency is more likely to be achievable (and you're not slowing the game down). -
Which is if fellas?
Cards or no cards?
You can’t have both, and moan when it suits you
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Which is if fellas?
Cards or no cards?
You can’t have both, and moan when it suits you
Yeah that's a shit call, what most want is the systems changed, with less cards and more post match punishment. But until that case we want it applied evenly. Porter's hit was a obvious red under the current shit system, in fact it was worse than Ofa. Yet he gets yellow for breaking Brodie's cheek.
It's a shit process and is unevenly applied
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Which is if fellas?
Cards or no cards?
You can’t have both, and moan when it suits you
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Which is if fellas?
Cards or no cards?
You can’t have both, and moan when it suits you
Just the laws applied consistently will be fine. So if a challenge is a red one week, it should be a red the next week if a similar situation arises.
No mitigation for "soaking" the tackle to get out of giving the red
Personally, I'd prefer obvious filth and clear stiff arm tackles or shoulders directly to the head to be red cards. Any doubt from the ref, yellow card and leave it to the citing process. To do otherwise means the in-game process is ultimately decided by the individual ref, which means their own biases get in the way. Not good for them, not good for the game.
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Barnes was effectively saying that he disagreed with the call the week before even though it had been ratified by the judiciary.
The 'passive' thing was given much more weight and that was the difference in colour.
To answer your question @MiketheSnow it's consistency that we want first and foremost.Ideally (and it is an impractical ideal) I would like to see reciprocity in foul play. eg if your act of foul play makes the recipient leave the field you have to leave the field for the same duration. If they fail an HIA or are broken then you stay off but are replaced just as they are.
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While piling in on Foster (who is also very fat) I realise I didn't even mention the Irish. Regardless of our issues, Farrell has done a great job with that side. Schmidt drilled them well but that ridiculously attritional gameplan did them in the end. Now they're playing with enterprise and creativity and aren't just a battering ram that recycles possession for hours. They are an excellent team now and deservedly won the series.
