Springboks v All Blacks 2
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Cane not playing well and under pressure and it shows.
Ardie stands out but looks lonely.
He was surprised SB didn't start 6.It was on the breakdown, he spoke very well.. Worth a watch when it goes up on YouTube
@Mattasaurus Starting an extra tight forward might compensate in some ways for our tight five being substandard. With our structures it would make fuck all difference though.
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They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
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They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
And he's used to playing in a poor team (Warriors) but is able to stand out amongst the headless chickens around him. Good point.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
And he's used to playing in a poor team (Warriors) but is able to stand out amongst the headless chickens around him. Good point.
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
And he's used to playing in a poor team (Warriors) but is able to stand out amongst the headless chickens around him. Good point.
Yeah, I know he's inexperienced at test level but the other options are just dire, we may as well start someone that at least has the potential to succeed.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
And he's used to playing in a poor team (Warriors) but is able to stand out amongst the headless chickens around him. Good point.
Yeah, I know he's inexperienced at test level but the other options are just dire, we may as well start someone that at least has the potential to succeed.
@No-Quarter I hate how inexperience gets used against players. I'd start RTS and Newell next week tbh, time to see what these guys are made of.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
And he's used to playing in a poor team (Warriors) but is able to stand out amongst the headless chickens around him. Good point.
Yeah, I know he's inexperienced at test level but the other options are just dire, we may as well start someone that at least has the potential to succeed.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
And he's used to playing in a poor team (Warriors) but is able to stand out amongst the headless chickens around him. Good point.
Yeah, I know he's inexperienced at test level but the other options are just dire, we may as well start someone that at least has the potential to succeed.
ABs need to select 10/12/13 combinations.
Either BB/RTS/RI or RM/DH/Ennor
You give yourself a fighting chance if the players have some experience of playing together more than once in a blue moon.
At the moment it is mix and match lunacy. The players haven't a hope of striking up combinations with the constant chopping and changing. AB coaches still think they can rest and rotate. That was fine when there was a playing structure and similar players to slot in and out. But there isn't.
I can see Foster picking the same team again next week and saying to them to build on the good things that he saw them do in the last match. If he makes changes en mass, the end result will be no different. Players will play individually and there will be no cohesion.
Only alternative is for him to pick combinations. Chiefs front row, Crusaders second row. Blues back row. Crusaders or Blues 10/12/13.
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@No-Quarter I hate how inexperience gets used against players. I'd start RTS and Newell next week tbh, time to see what these guys are made of.
@African-Monkey agreed
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@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
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@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
Old man Coles
Their judgement or interpretation of statistics must be severally impaired to have selected him. Guy is fucking gone!
Most shocking thing for me was not selecting Hodgman. Best prop in NZ.
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@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
Havili is there for the tactical kicking to win territory. A couple of decent kicks aside, he was used to crash it up.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
And he's used to playing in a poor team (Warriors) but is able to stand out amongst the headless chickens around him. Good point.
Yeah, I know he's inexperienced at test level but the other options are just dire, we may as well start someone that at least has the potential to succeed.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
They also need to start RTS at 12. Ennor and Havili cannot compete at the top level, RTS is a world class athelete that will only get better the more he plays.
And he's used to playing in a poor team (Warriors) but is able to stand out amongst the headless chickens around him. Good point.
Yeah, I know he's inexperienced at test level but the other options are just dire, we may as well start someone that at least has the potential to succeed.
Given up on Quinn Tupaea, or have I missed something? He is only 23.
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We should have stuck with Tupaea, yes he made mistakes in the 2nd test, but was marginally better than Havili. He has much better ball carrying and physicality, and they should have built the combination. Havili/Ioane is a crap 12/13 combo.
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
We should have stuck with Tupaea, yes he made mistakes in the 2nd test, but was marginally better than Havili. He has much better ball carrying and physicality, and they should have built the combination. Havili/Ioane is a crap 12/13 combo.
oh just saw your post. Yup, but I hope they only play him at 12 and don't make him shift between 12 and 13.
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
Havili is there for the tactical kicking to win territory. A couple of decent kicks aside, he was used to crash it up.
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@Tim Twice now that Ioane has been subbed and Havili stayed on. I've got no fuckin' idea what Foster is thinking.
I haven't read the match thread, or this thread yet, but I am assuming with the injuries we may see Jordan at fullback and Mo'unga at 1st 5. Old man Coles was worse than Taylor so time to put him out to pasture. No reason not to select Newell either in the 23.
Havili is there for the tactical kicking to win territory. A couple of decent kicks aside, he was used to crash it up.
Didn't Foster say DH is super skilled? If so he needs space or structure or tactics to use those skills. I'm beginning to wonder if miracle practice time is more important to Foster than onfield performance..
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Who's the ref? Hopefully one that doesn't allow disrupting jumpers at the high ball with no intention of catching (I thought they worked that one out years ago when the Bokke first tried it) and one that doesn't reward a jackal if the tackler still has their arms around the tackled player.
It’s ridiculous how Gardner let this happen. The bok winger who got the red card at the end of the match, nearly paralysing BB in the process, should have had a yellow for same offence in the first half. Gardner doesn’t look at it and the result is the ridiculous challenge toward the end of the match.
Only one team was reffed st the breakdown
Why did he leave the scrums to sit there for so long?
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It’s ridiculous how Gardner let this happen. The bok winger who got the red card at the end of the match, nearly paralysing BB in the process, should have had a yellow for same offence in the first half. Gardner doesn’t look at it and the result is the ridiculous challenge toward the end of the match.
Only one team was reffed st the breakdown
Why did he leave the scrums to sit there for so long?
@DaGrubster complaining about the ref is so depressing after a loss. Glad it's an Aussie.
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@DaGrubster complaining about the ref is so depressing after a loss. Glad it's an Aussie.
@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@DaGrubster complaining about the ref is so depressing after a loss. Glad it's an Aussie.
It is a reflection of how far we have sunk that we can feel like everything is against us, including the refs. But we are not a good side right now
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@DaGrubster complaining about the ref is so depressing after a loss. Glad it's an Aussie.
@OomPB said in Springboks v All Blacks 2 (Fozzie's Swansong??):
@DaGrubster complaining about the ref is so depressing after a loss. Glad it's an Aussie.
It must be refreshing for Bok fans to hear NZ whinging after a loss though. I can remember all the SA conspiracy theories (not from all mind) about the refs being lenient towards the ABs as the reasons the Boks lost in years gone by
. The worm has turned 
