Springboks v All Blacks 2
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Clarke's missed tackle aside, I thought the wings played very well. Good carrying, good under the high ball, some defensive alignment issues to work out, but generally very good despite receiving some difficult passes. Both used in the midfield more often and more effectively.
Last week they were receiving awful ball when they were flat and static.
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Clarke's missed tackle aside, I thought the wings played very well. Good carrying, good under the high ball, some defensive alignment issues to work out, but generally very good despite receiving some difficult passes. Both used in the midfield more often and more effectively.
Last week they were receiving awful ball when they were flat and static.
Maybe he had more space or clearer instructions but I thought DH plays better with RM. Also exciting to see flashes of potential between him and RI.. playing far more in tandem with better support of each other I thought.
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Clarke's missed tackle aside, I thought the wings played very well. Good carrying, good under the high ball, some defensive alignment issues to work out, but generally very good despite receiving some difficult passes. Both used in the midfield more often and more effectively.
Last week they were receiving awful ball when they were flat and static.
@Tim said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
defensive alignment
I thought the issues on attack appeared to be alignment on attack too. Clarke and Jordan both have a tendency to lose faith in their insides on both attack and defence and turn/drift in.
Hopefully with the rest of the team playing better it's an easy fix which will see them making better use of the outside space that's being created.
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Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
That is too harsh on scrums.
Each side pinged for taking brake foot back before call.
Frans gained penalty when Cane unbound from De Groot and he had to hold full Bok TH side with just Scooter behind him. But also got one back when Frans over expended and flopped. So 1-1. Don’t recall Lomax conceding.
Bower had been good last week against Frans, but twice penalised vs Koch. Once when Koch bored in and Bower drove under him. Many would have given that other way. Next scrum Bower stayed wide and Koch found gap between him and Taylor and surged through. Fair penalty, albeit probably a symptom of earlier ruling.
So 3-1, but arguably ought to have been 2-2.
Boks shaded it.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
For me, the forwards came from better depth so we're able to assess whether to clean or to look for the offload. They also didn't go too far wide away from their support. Simple change that was very effective. It forced the Boks to commit more players to the breakdown to try to slow the ball down, which made space out wide to attack.
@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
For me, the forwards came from better depth so we're able to assess whether to clean or to look for the offload. They also didn't go too far wide away from their support. Simple change that was very effective. It forced the Boks to commit more players to the breakdown to try to slow the ball down, which made space out wide to attack.
And in twos.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
I thought the midfield did pretty well too. One of the papers gave Havili an 8 which I thought was a bit high, but he was really solid last night and one of his better games in Black. Seemed to work well with Reiko & Ritchie and communication/co-ordination 10-12-13 looked a big improvement
Haven't re-watched the game, but it seemed to me we need more work on the wing. Didn't think the positioning was all that great at times and didn't receive the ball at quite the right time. Defensively though, apart from Caleb's blunder, they looked OK.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
I thought the midfield did pretty well too. One of the papers gave Havili an 8 which I thought was a bit high, but he was really solid last night and one of his better games in Black. Seemed to work well with Reiko & Ritchie and communication/co-ordination 10-12-13 looked a big improvement
Haven't re-watched the game, but it seemed to me we need more work on the wing. Didn't think the positioning was all that great at times and didn't receive the ball at quite the right time. Defensively though, apart from Caleb's blunder, they looked OK.
Something I noticed, and expect was a tactic, was having a munter to make hard carry, allowing Havilli some space to navigate. Best hard carry by midfield was a Tuapea late on. He also held ball up well to set up Rieko’s charge down the goal line.
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Boks obviously told pre game by “technical” Pearce that contests for the high ball had to be genuine. WR would have been on edge that another BB incident would happen.
There weren’t bodies flying in at all angles around the catch area this week@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Boks obviously told pre game by “technical” Pearce that contests for the high ball had to be genuine. WR would have been on edge that another BB incident would happen.
There weren’t bodies flying in at all angles around the catch area this weekMarx not selected to start for a rugby reason. Coaches said privileged which suggests some rulings from WR. I noticed he didn’t once try his patented ‘leaning tripod’.
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Surely now Nepo, Angus, Karl and Ofa are goneburgers. Hello new generation props!!
@Jailbreak7 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Surely now Nepo, Angus, Karl and Ofa are goneburgers. Hello new generation props!!
Only Angus and Karl.
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Keep Nonu on. Didn’t get the Sky memo to ask leading non questions. Asking real ones and pressing the answer.
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Keep Nonu on. Didn’t get the Sky memo to ask leading non questions. Asking real ones and pressing the answer.
What platform was Ma’a on?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
I thought the midfield did pretty well too. One of the papers gave Havili an 8 which I thought was a bit high, but he was really solid last night and one of his better games in Black. Seemed to work well with Reiko & Ritchie and communication/co-ordination 10-12-13 looked a big improvement
Haven't re-watched the game, but it seemed to me we need more work on the wing. Didn't think the positioning was all that great at times and didn't receive the ball at quite the right time. Defensively though, apart from Caleb's blunder, they looked OK.
Something I noticed, and expect was a tactic, was having a munter to make hard carry, allowing Havilli some space to navigate. Best hard carry by midfield was a Tuapea late on. He also held ball up well to set up Rieko’s charge down the goal line.
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@nzzp said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Forwards were a massive step up. But our scrum was still poor - are the locks not great? Felt like we conceded so many scrum penalties - particulary at the end - and the Bokke just piggypacked over tha tall the way downfield.
Scrum penalties have been a headache for us all year. Not many scrums in the game, but we struggled -- this has to be one of the major workons.
The thing that was awesome was seeing effective cleaners at the ruck. God knows what happened last week - but this week there were players ready to protect the ball, and ball carriers puttin gthe ball back on our side (not tucked into their body).
RM was mixed. Showed some of the qualities he's got, but also some of the downsides (particualrly carrying into big boys in traffic). Anyone see BB's distance at altitude in the kicking too - playing in Joberg is a bit crazy.
Huge result, really impressed. Still think Foster should go, because of the body of work over the last 3 years ... but we could have him to the RWC.
I thought the midfield did pretty well too. One of the papers gave Havili an 8 which I thought was a bit high, but he was really solid last night and one of his better games in Black. Seemed to work well with Reiko & Ritchie and communication/co-ordination 10-12-13 looked a big improvement
Haven't re-watched the game, but it seemed to me we need more work on the wing. Didn't think the positioning was all that great at times and didn't receive the ball at quite the right time. Defensively though, apart from Caleb's blunder, they looked OK.
Something I noticed, and expect was a tactic, was having a munter to make hard carry, allowing Havilli some space to navigate. Best hard carry by midfield was a Tuapea late on. He also held ball up well to set up Rieko’s charge down the goal line.
I've only re-watched the highlights, but also there was often 2 passes from the forwards before the ball was munted up or fed straight to midfield (Ritchie or DH). It seemed put some uncertainty in the Bok defence and opened up some space for Reiko & DH to exploit - the latter's kick to Ardie being a good example.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Keep Nonu on. Didn’t get the Sky memo to ask leading non questions. Asking real ones and pressing the answer.
What platform was Ma’a on?
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Keep Nonu on. Didn’t get the Sky memo to ask leading non questions. Asking real ones and pressing the answer.
What platform was Ma’a on?
He was Sky tv. was with Goldie Wilson when he did aftermatch interviews.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Keep Nonu on. Didn’t get the Sky memo to ask leading non questions. Asking real ones and pressing the answer.
What platform was Ma’a on?
He was Sky tv. was with Goldie Wilson when he did aftermatch interviews.
@Dan54 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Keep Nonu on. Didn’t get the Sky memo to ask leading non questions. Asking real ones and pressing the answer.
What platform was Ma’a on?
He was Sky tv. was with Goldie Wilson when he did aftermatch interviews.
Not shown in UK.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Keep Nonu on. Didn’t get the Sky memo to ask leading non questions. Asking real ones and pressing the answer.
What platform was Ma’a on?
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Keep Nonu on. Didn’t get the Sky memo to ask leading non questions. Asking real ones and pressing the answer.
What platform was Ma’a on?
The NZ Sky post match stuff on field straight after the game. Got stuck straight in. No wishy-washy, no playing it safe. It was 'Why did you do that?' and 'Did you think of doing this' stuff.
He was obviously just talking to Foster the same way he would have as a player and had the cred to do so but it was refreshing. -
@Dan54 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Keep Nonu on. Didn’t get the Sky memo to ask leading non questions. Asking real ones and pressing the answer.
What platform was Ma’a on?
He was Sky tv. was with Goldie Wilson when he did aftermatch interviews.
Not shown in UK.
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Dan54 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Keep Nonu on. Didn’t get the Sky memo to ask leading non questions. Asking real ones and pressing the answer.
What platform was Ma’a on?
He was Sky tv. was with Goldie Wilson when he did aftermatch interviews.
Not shown in UK.
As Crucial said was interesting I thought. Even where Havili got on seemingly to just make sure everyone knew the players were behind Foster etc. I usually watch most of interviews after game as players etc tend to answer questions without a lot of time to think about things.
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@Jailbreak7 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
That's it for me. Got to look for next gen 7 now. Paps/Christie someone else.
he is game as they come. a warrior but he is a yard off the pace.
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Jailbreak7 said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
That's it for me. Got to look for next gen 7 now. Paps/Christie someone else.
he is game as they come. a warrior but he is a yard off the pace.
Fine for 50/55, then get him off.
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Conrad was impressed with both midfielders.
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=1032103
My favorite part of the interview is when Dagg brings up Nonu doing commentating and he instantly starts laughing even though he didn't catch it.
It seems Nonu didn't tell him he was doing it even though they talk a lot.
