The Current State of Rugby
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Not so sure I'm on board with everything he's saying - a lot of it is mimic what's happening in other sports that have completely different structures to NZ rugby.
To paraphrase him I'll go into hibernation if franchise rugby becomes the 365 focus.
@Nepia said in The Current State of Rugby:
Not so sure I'm on board with everything he's saying - a lot of it is mimic what's happening in other sports that have completely different structures to NZ rugby.
To paraphrase him I'll go into hibernation if franchise rugby becomes the 365 focus.
He's talking extremes and I doubt very much if we will end up with drafts but there is tons of room for stats based analysis type broadcasts that can run post/pre season. Better comms and discussion around squad building (eg who is on/off contract with 'experts discussing gap filling options), injury talk. Fan buildup stuff etc. All the stuff that franchises and their SM flunkies are useless at. NZR aren't much better. They use media simply to put out a communication then walk away from any interaction.
What I take from that article is that this guy sees massive opportunities for content both during and outside of the playing season. Lots of it is stuff that we have all mentioned here and even try to create here ourselves. -
@Nepia said in The Current State of Rugby:
Not so sure I'm on board with everything he's saying - a lot of it is mimic what's happening in other sports that have completely different structures to NZ rugby.
To paraphrase him I'll go into hibernation if franchise rugby becomes the 365 focus.
He's talking extremes and I doubt very much if we will end up with drafts but there is tons of room for stats based analysis type broadcasts that can run post/pre season. Better comms and discussion around squad building (eg who is on/off contract with 'experts discussing gap filling options), injury talk. Fan buildup stuff etc. All the stuff that franchises and their SM flunkies are useless at. NZR aren't much better. They use media simply to put out a communication then walk away from any interaction.
What I take from that article is that this guy sees massive opportunities for content both during and outside of the playing season. Lots of it is stuff that we have all mentioned here and even try to create here ourselves.@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Nepia said in The Current State of Rugby:
Not so sure I'm on board with everything he's saying - a lot of it is mimic what's happening in other sports that have completely different structures to NZ rugby.
To paraphrase him I'll go into hibernation if franchise rugby becomes the 365 focus.
He's talking extremes and I doubt very much if we will end up with drafts but there is tons of room for stats based analysis type broadcasts that can run post/pre season. Better comms and discussion around squad building (eg who is on/off contract with 'experts discussing gap filling options), injury talk. Fan buildup stuff etc. All the stuff that franchises and their SM flunkies are useless at. NZR aren't much better. They use media simply to put out a communication then walk away from any interaction.
What I take from that article is that this guy sees massive opportunities for content both during and outside of the playing season. Lots of it is stuff that we have all mentioned here and even try to create here ourselves.TBH, I think you're doing a lot of reading between the lines there. You can't talk about 365 and ignore the ABs and the NPC which is essentially what the article does (which may not reflect what was actually said in the interview). I don't want franchise rugby in my face between now and say October when the teams are named, but I do want NPC and ABs in my face.
If he can improve that type of engagement (marketing/SM for all comps/teams) that we all do complain about then all good, but that article is franchise rugby focused.
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Here's hoping he drags NZR into the 21st century with creating fan content to keep people engaged, informed and wanting to attend games.
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Bloody interesting read, not sure how much I agree ir disagree with, but would probably need to read it a few more times. Mind you I don't think he aiming it at a few of us, if like me a rusted on fans anyway. I don't want too much change and as Nepia say, certainly don't want franchise rugby all season, maybe because NPC is my favourite comp anyway. But I would sure NZR etc is not going to survive with just us lot, one of reasons I think women's game is so important to the game.
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Article is good. I doubt if it will lead to this being addressed. Because at present the ongoing Crusaders dominance is bad for SRP. And its got much worse in recent years. And its getting boring now. One way to address this is to give the weaker teams more money. Rather than the opposite now with the stronger teams in effect getting a lot more money to pay their players when they become ABs
Aust having too many teams is another issue. I don't really see an answer though but NZ could start by trying something to have 5 teams when every fan thinks their side has a chance of winning (as it was 6 years back for NZ sides but not Aussie sides. At present as a Hurricanes fan I believe my team hasn't a hope in hell of winning. Likewise most Aussie teams and the Highlanders. And the Chiefs and Blues have only a small chance.
Nelson says sporting utopia is reached when every fan thinks their side has a chance of winning, but the challenge is to convince those who are used to unfettered success that dominance is bad for business. “You can be a winning business without winning the title. If you build a winning business you’re building sustainability and a destination. You build a story and a solid future. “That was the most important message I had to get across to the NBL teams when I arrived. Domination wasn’t good for business, it wasn’t good for commerciality, it wasn’t good for viewership or fans in the stands.” Are you reading, Crusaders fans? -
Weird, I don't find the Crusader dominace boring. What's wrong with you lot?
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Weird, I don't find the Crusader dominace boring. What's wrong with you lot?
@Crazy-Horse said in The Current State of Rugby:
Weird, I don't find the Crusader dominace boring. What's wrong with you lot?
TBH I don't either, but the man is talking about the soft fans, not hardcore. And these days there are a lot less hardcore rugby supporters than days of yore
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There's no doubt I don't follow super rugby as passionately as I used to. I can't really say why. But I would suspect I'm not alone
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/how-the-forward-pass-has-rugby-tied-up-in-knots/
Physics is not his strong point
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/how-the-forward-pass-has-rugby-tied-up-in-knots/
What a halfwit.
When I ref I make it very simple to determine a forward pass if the passer isn't tackled: Does the pass move forward relative to the passer or do they always stay in front of the ball? If the pass doesn't look like it catches them (and they're not noticeably slowing) then it isn't forward.
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/how-the-forward-pass-has-rugby-tied-up-in-knots/
What a halfwit.
When I ref I make it very simple to determine a forward pass if the passer isn't tackled: Does the pass move forward relative to the passer or do they always stay in front of the ball? If the pass doesn't look like it catches them (and they're not noticeably slowing) then it isn't forward.
@antipodean put it this way …. world rugby released a video a few years ago explaining it.
All the NH journalists “debunked” it saying it was full of shit.
None so blind as those that will not see.
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While I follow all rugby from pretty passionately from college to international, I wonder if I seem to be getting more enjoyment out of college to NPC rugby, because the professionalism is taking a little too much of the skill/excitement factor from the game. I was listening to Bryn Hall and James Parsons talking about kicks etc, and they were saying a lot of time is spent analyzing how opposition players kick etc every week , from 9s to 15s, and players actually go through best way to hold hands etc when attempting charge downs etc, conversation was started after Schalk Burger talked about how it, so would seem pretty widespread. Not sure I don't think it just puts me off a little and makes me think we are turning players into robots etc the higher level they play. The game at slightly lower levels may have a few more mistakes, but seeing how teams take advantage off the cuff is the real beauty of the game or most sports I think.
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While I follow all rugby from pretty passionately from college to international, I wonder if I seem to be getting more enjoyment out of college to NPC rugby, because the professionalism is taking a little too much of the skill/excitement factor from the game. I was listening to Bryn Hall and James Parsons talking about kicks etc, and they were saying a lot of time is spent analyzing how opposition players kick etc every week , from 9s to 15s, and players actually go through best way to hold hands etc when attempting charge downs etc, conversation was started after Schalk Burger talked about how it, so would seem pretty widespread. Not sure I don't think it just puts me off a little and makes me think we are turning players into robots etc the higher level they play. The game at slightly lower levels may have a few more mistakes, but seeing how teams take advantage off the cuff is the real beauty of the game or most sports I think.
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after watching some club rugby and some NPC over the weekend....i feel better. "Rugby" is still good....its just to top level thats suffering...so im going to watch more club/NPC/1st XV...simple
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after watching some club rugby and some NPC over the weekend....i feel better. "Rugby" is still good....its just to top level thats suffering...so im going to watch more club/NPC/1st XV...simple
@Kiwiwomble said in The Current State of Rugby:
after watching some club rugby and some NPC over the weekend....i feel better. "Rugby" is still good....its just to top level thats suffering...so im going to watch more club/NPC/1st XV...simple
Yep kiwi, come and join me mate, it reminds you why a lot of us love the game so much. Well it does for me anyway.
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Slightly segueing to The Current State of the Rugby In New Zealand.
The story about Addington Stadium not selling out (yet) for All Blacks test in 400k Christchurch (already being discussed in the match thread).
There will be several factors and explanations.
At a Chch level:- The temporary stadium.
- Plus the numpty coach cuckooing his way into the job which should actually be their local hero's rightful place.
- The weather.
At an NZ level.
- Decline of broadcasting in NZ and no shared culture.
- The night rugby booze culture leaving the next generation at home (since 20 years ago) playing xbox until bed at 9 while Dad commits to an 11pm homecoming and gets a night out pissed with his mates.
- Too much All Blacks level concentration, disengaged public for the other months, breaking a century of habits, culture.
- Terrible in-stadium atmosphere., the DJ destroying the (admittedly limited ) active fan engagement .
At a state of the game level.
- Almost entirely the red cards.
- But also some of the other rules and trends, but that is more at the anorak level, not the masses.
