All Blacks v Pumas 1
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I think we're going to stuff the Argies.
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he's a professional rugby player in his prime, asked to play 2 games in 3 weeks. He's not an audit senior in busy season. Play the man. If he breaks, we bring the next guy in.
This only becomes an issue really if you lose like 8 guys at the same time, on like a thursday.
Rotation is highly over rated.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
If he breaks, we bring the next guy in.
Just need to make sure the next guy has enough experience so there's minimal drop-off.
Rotation is highly over rated.
Not a word I've liked to hear since 2007
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
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@Daffy-Jaffy you can certainly see why the players like him, seems very personable, and given how under the pump he has been, must be a nice change for him...
I hope Ellis Park is the turning point for him and this group, confidence breeds confidence, and with it comes luck too.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Daffy-Jaffy you can certainly see why the players like him, seems very personable, and given how under the pump he has been, must be a nice change for him...
I hope Ellis Park is the turning point for him and this group, confidence breeds confidence, and with it comes luck too.
In many ways, this game is the acid test and we'll see if the corner has been turned or Ellis Park was a one-off.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Whitelock is a bit of an unheralded AB legend.
Impressive at the presser too. Obviously someone who didn't come down in the last shower.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Daffy-Jaffy you can certainly see why the players like him, seems very personable, and given how under the pump he has been, must be a nice change for him...
I hope Ellis Park is the turning point for him and this group, confidence breeds confidence, and with it comes luck too.
In many ways, this game is the acid test and we'll see if the corner has been turned or Ellis Park was a one-off.
@Victor-Meldrew hopefully they do put up a good test, as history suggests we should win this easily, with the closest result this century being 15 point margin in 2013....
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Whitelock is a bit of an unheralded AB legend.
Impressive at the presser too. Obviously someone who didn't come down in the last shower.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Whitelock is a bit of an unheralded AB legend.
Impressive at the presser too. Obviously someone who didn't come down in the last shower.
Casually drops that he played a test at Jade Stadium, here is the team list from that game, of interest a few of the Convicts are still playing.
New Zealand vs Australia at AMI Stadium
Christchurch, New Zealand
Saturday, 7 August 2010
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@Victor-Meldrew hopefully they do put up a good test, as history suggests we should win this easily, with the closest result this century being 15 point margin in 2013....
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew hopefully they do put up a good test, as history suggests we should win this easily, with the closest result this century being 15 point margin in 2013....
History also said that the Pumas weren’t capable of bending Wallabies over and reaming them by 50.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew hopefully they do put up a good test, as history suggests we should win this easily, with the closest result this century being 15 point margin in 2013....
History also said that the Pumas weren’t capable of bending Wallabies over and reaming them by 50.
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I think we're going to stuff the Argies.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I think we're going to stuff the Argies.
The TAB agrees with you.
We're at $1.08 and the Argies are at $7.
Not only that, to win TRC we're at $1.27. The Saffas are at $4.50 and the expected also rans are a fair distance further out.
All is well in the TAB world.
To be honest, I don't think they're too far wrong, but the Argies at $7 are worth a small insurance investment.
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I think we're going to stuff the Argies.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I think we're going to stuff the Argies.
first match I am feeling confident about this year...based on what I saw from our last match and expected further improvements based on consistency of rolling out the same team.
Not sure by how much, but I have not been confident with any of the previous games this year
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Whitelock is a bit of an unheralded AB legend.
Impressive at the presser too. Obviously someone who didn't come down in the last shower.
Casually drops that he played a test at Jade Stadium, here is the team list from that game, of interest a few of the Convicts are still playing.
New Zealand vs Australia at AMI Stadium
Christchurch, New Zealand
Saturday, 7 August 2010
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
@TeWaio said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
But even that strategy relies on reasonably decent selections, not reverting to previous favourites, and realising when players are no longer even worth that option.
Is he going to keep Mo'unga all the way through? Will he realise that we absolutely have to blood a new hooker, even with that strategy? I have my doubts.
Then again, the new panel might, I suppose.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
@TeWaio said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
I think an experienced 23 is possibly more key than a settled XV. Much easier to slot an experienced bench player into the team in case of injuries.
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@TeWaio said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
But even that strategy relies on reasonably decent selections, not reverting to previous favourites, and realising when players are no longer even worth that option.
Is he going to keep Mo'unga all the way through? Will he realise that we absolutely have to blood a new hooker, even with that strategy? I have my doubts.
Then again, the new panel might, I suppose.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
But even that strategy relies on reasonably decent selections, not reverting to previous favourites, and realising when players are no longer even worth that option.
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
@TeWaio said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
There’s always 1 or 2 blessings in disguise - take Retallick’s injury, it has allowed us to play Scott Barrett more than what would’ve been. So when Retallick comes back and he is fit and firing, the AB coaches should be a little more confident to split our two experienced locks to play along side Scooter.
Then there are those surprise packets - the “Kahui” - where a left field selection bears fruit.
Then there are the one or two horses for courses selections. The thing about a RWC is that with the pool games everyone is likely to get a run at some point.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
But even that strategy relies on reasonably decent selections, not reverting to previous favourites, and realising when players are no longer even worth that option.
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
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@TeWaio said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
I think an experienced 23 is possibly more key than a settled XV. Much easier to slot an experienced bench player into the team in case of injuries.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@TeWaio said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Hopefully a good win, and then the opportunity to make changes for the next test.
can i ask why? is it just to see your favourite players get a run?
Nope. I'm thinking more on the bench (e.g., Sotutu, Fakatava) to see what they can do, as an alternative. Picking the same team every week is great until you have injuries and the replacement comes in cold.
Yep, with Weber and TJP no longer in the picture, we have one 33-year-old veteran halfback, one reasonably new 26-year-old and one rookie of 22. The rookie needs game time, in case one of the other two goes down with injury. I hate the thought of Smith getting injured and all we have is 8-cap Christie (who is okay, but not more than that) and Fakatava, who has a higher ceiling but has only had 37 minutes in the black jersey. I hope Fakatava gets game time in the second Puma test.
I guess the issue Foster & co have now is minimal game time before RWC2023 to give experience to new-ish players. Requires some tricky management.
If I'm Foster, I think the only way we have a puncher's chance to win the RWC from here is to play the same XV for all the remaining tests are hope for zero injuries.
We aren't good enough to win without a settled team, or to win if we cop a few injuries, so its a calculated roll of the dice. Depth be dammed.
I think an experienced 23 is possibly more key than a settled XV. Much easier to slot an experienced bench player into the team in case of injuries.
Yeah for sure, can replace my post XV with XXIII
