All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
Because it's not worth arguing about. He played 50 odd minutes and did nothing that Akira hadn't already done in several tests.
Swap the players names, and we'd still be talking about that drop that lead to a try on his own line. Unbelievably poor, and looked gassed.
The problem has always been the tight five, and in that second game they stepped up. Ryan's influence? I hope so. Am sure Akira would have continued his good form, but for whatever reason (probably the head rubs over the years) he's a disliked player.
More disliked interestingly than a player that did this;
"Frizell reportedly sent a message over Instagram to a third party connected to the victims.
“F*** you b**** tell your friend to hide I’m gonna f*** everyone’s up f*** with the wrong guy,” the message reportedly read.
Stuff reports the message was sent after Frizell is understood to have slapped the female victim, who is known to the 15-test All Black, following an exchange of words.
After then trying to leave Vault 21, a popular bar/restaurant in the centre of Dunedin, Frizell is reported to have punched the female victim in the face, giving her a fat upper lip and a split lower lip.
The female victim’s boyfriend is reported to have tried to intervene after the first incident and was then “coward punched” while on his phone outside the bar.
Stuff reports both victims sustained injuries as a result of the physical altercations."
Frizell did something Akira doesn't do, which is just to get up some speed and run straight. It's unlikely to make huge metreage, in particular against teams such as Boks, but it makes the cleans easier, and with that building the phases.
Akira tends to prop and look for gaps to run into. Almost always makes some metres, and sometimes big yards, but less fitted the pattern for Ellis Park. And more effective once oppo legs are giving out.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
Because it's not worth arguing about. He played 50 odd minutes and did nothing that Akira hadn't already done in several tests.
Swap the players names, and we'd still be talking about that drop that lead to a try on his own line. Unbelievably poor, and looked gassed.
The problem has always been the tight five, and in that second game they stepped up. Ryan's influence? I hope so. Am sure Akira would have continued his good form, but for whatever reason (probably the head rubs over the years) he's a disliked player.
More disliked interestingly than a player that did this;
"Frizell reportedly sent a message over Instagram to a third party connected to the victims.
“F*** you b**** tell your friend to hide I’m gonna f*** everyone’s up f*** with the wrong guy,” the message reportedly read.
Stuff reports the message was sent after Frizell is understood to have slapped the female victim, who is known to the 15-test All Black, following an exchange of words.
After then trying to leave Vault 21, a popular bar/restaurant in the centre of Dunedin, Frizell is reported to have punched the female victim in the face, giving her a fat upper lip and a split lower lip.
The female victim’s boyfriend is reported to have tried to intervene after the first incident and was then “coward punched” while on his phone outside the bar.
Stuff reports both victims sustained injuries as a result of the physical altercations."
Frizell did something Akira doesn't do, which is just to get up some speed and run straight. It's unlikely to make huge metreage, in particular against teams such as Boks, but it makes the cleans easier, and with that building the phases.
Akira tends to prop and look for gaps to run into. Almost always makes some metres, and sometimes big yards, but less fitted the pattern for Ellis Park. And more effective once oppo legs are giving out.
Tend to agree Kirwan, and to simplfy it my take is Frizell tends to run in closer, makes less meterage, but the next phase is usually set qyuicker with more support, and as you say Akira is more comfortable seemingly running slightly wider as a almost a link type player. Not sure if Akira has baan told to come in closer , but he did seem to when he came on against Boks.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
Because it's not worth arguing about. He played 50 odd minutes and did nothing that Akira hadn't already done in several tests.
Swap the players names, and we'd still be talking about that drop that lead to a try on his own line. Unbelievably poor, and looked gassed.
The problem has always been the tight five, and in that second game they stepped up. Ryan's influence? I hope so. Am sure Akira would have continued his good form, but for whatever reason (probably the head rubs over the years) he's a disliked player.
More disliked interestingly than a player that did this;
"Frizell reportedly sent a message over Instagram to a third party connected to the victims.
“F*** you b**** tell your friend to hide I’m gonna f*** everyone’s up f*** with the wrong guy,” the message reportedly read.
Stuff reports the message was sent after Frizell is understood to have slapped the female victim, who is known to the 15-test All Black, following an exchange of words.
After then trying to leave Vault 21, a popular bar/restaurant in the centre of Dunedin, Frizell is reported to have punched the female victim in the face, giving her a fat upper lip and a split lower lip.
The female victim’s boyfriend is reported to have tried to intervene after the first incident and was then “coward punched” while on his phone outside the bar.
Stuff reports both victims sustained injuries as a result of the physical altercations."
Frizell did something Akira doesn't do, which is just to get up some speed and run straight. It's unlikely to make huge metreage, in particular against teams such as Boks, but it makes the cleans easier, and with that building the phases.
Akira tends to prop and look for gaps to run into. Almost always makes some metres, and sometimes big yards, but less fitted the pattern for Ellis Park. And more effective once oppo legs are giving out.
Tend to agree Kirwan, and to simplfy it my take is Frizell tends to run in closer, makes less meterage, but the next phase is usually set qyuicker with more support, and as you say Akira is more comfortable seemingly running slightly wider as a almost a link type player. Not sure if Akira has baan told to come in closer , but he did seem to when he came on against Boks.
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@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Back to the game, for those pointing at the selections as the answer to the turnaround, I would say these three factors were more important that who played;
- Ryan's simplifcation of the forward roles and changing their focus
- The ref not allowing the Boks to rest as much (team tactics to keep the ball as well and move them around)
- JB taking more of the higher kicks (good pressure on the kicker and good skill execution)
BB at 10 and Akira at 6 and QT at 12 we get the same result off the back of that forward performance too.
That's conjecture. No doubt some things would have gone as well, but others not.
One thing which I really liked was Bok kick offs being returned by Richie to around halfway. BB doesn't seem reliable in that role.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Back to the game, for those pointing at the selections as the answer to the turnaround, I would say these three factors were more important that who played;
- Ryan's simplifcation of the forward roles and changing their focus
- The ref not allowing the Boks to rest as much (team tactics to keep the ball as well and move them around)
- JB taking more of the higher kicks (good pressure on the kicker and good skill execution)
BB at 10 and Akira at 6 and QT at 12 we get the same result off the back of that forward performance too.
That's conjecture. No doubt some things would have gone as well, but others not.
One thing which I really liked was Bok kick offs being returned by Richie to around halfway. BB doesn't seem reliable in that role.
They were playing at altitude, everyone looks like an amazing punter at Ellis Park. Also, that ignores the multiple times we didn't exit well at all costing us points.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
It seemed Razor was initially chilled, but maybe that was because he knew two losses in SA and he'd get the gig?
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Reverting to Frizzell sure worked at Ellis Park.
The Fern has gone mysteriously quiet.
Because it's not worth arguing about. He played 50 odd minutes and did nothing that Akira hadn't already done in several tests.
Swap the players names, and we'd still be talking about that drop that lead to a try on his own line. Unbelievably poor, and looked gassed.
The problem has always been the tight five, and in that second game they stepped up. Ryan's influence? I hope so. Am sure Akira would have continued his good form, but for whatever reason (probably the head rubs over the years) he's a disliked player.
More disliked interestingly than a player that did this;
"Frizell reportedly sent a message over Instagram to a third party connected to the victims.
“F*** you b**** tell your friend to hide I’m gonna f*** everyone’s up f*** with the wrong guy,” the message reportedly read.
Stuff reports the message was sent after Frizell is understood to have slapped the female victim, who is known to the 15-test All Black, following an exchange of words.
After then trying to leave Vault 21, a popular bar/restaurant in the centre of Dunedin, Frizell is reported to have punched the female victim in the face, giving her a fat upper lip and a split lower lip.
The female victim’s boyfriend is reported to have tried to intervene after the first incident and was then “coward punched” while on his phone outside the bar.
Stuff reports both victims sustained injuries as a result of the physical altercations."
Frizell did something Akira doesn't do, which is just to get up some speed and run straight. It's unlikely to make huge metreage, in particular against teams such as Boks, but it makes the cleans easier, and with that building the phases.
Akira tends to prop and look for gaps to run into. Almost always makes some metres, and sometimes big yards, but less fitted the pattern for Ellis Park. And more effective once oppo legs are giving out.
Tend to agree Kirwan, and to simplfy it my take is Frizell tends to run in closer, makes less meterage, but the next phase is usually set qyuicker with more support, and as you say Akira is more comfortable seemingly running slightly wider as a almost a link type player. Not sure if Akira has baan told to come in closer , but he did seem to when he came on against Boks.
@Dan54 I think Ryan’s interview where he talked about defining roles is the key. The forwards were aimless and in the 2nd test against the Boks they were great at clearing out the rucks and it was rare to see a forward isolated in contact.
Surely Akira can learn to run straight. Fozizzle did this and was effective.
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Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
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Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
So you have bought into Fozzie bringing NZ rugby down by accepting that every other team is just better?
I don't buy into anyone's anything. I'm pointing out that Argentina played well against Oz and just as with Ireland and France, the days of easy wins aren't around anymore.
A good, solid, controlled win will be fine. A big score is less important than how we play.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
Honestly, if you cant fill a 20k ground in a city that size, that is pathetic -
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
That’s a bigger embarrassment than Foster
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
Honestly, if you cant fill a 20k ground in a city that size, that is pathetic@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
Honestly, if you cant fill a 20k ground in a city that size, that is patheticI'm no Village Of The Damned apologist but I've been to the ground once in 2018. I'm not a tall man (hovering around 6ft) but I found it cramped and uncomfortable, very tight to manoeuvre in and out of the row, and the atmosphere was thick with the aroma of "makeshift" - and secondary school hierarchy of course, but that's another matter...
If I lived in Christchurch, I can understand why punters are reticient to head along.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
Honestly, if you cant fill a 20k ground in a city that size, that is pathetic@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
I like that idea. Reckon you could get it organised by tonight? Might need a ride to and from the stadium as well. Hate having to find a car park.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
@No-Quarter if true, it certainly aint a great look, can understand him being gutted losing Ryan as his assistant at the crusaders but not be pissed/annoyed at him furthering his career.
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@Daffy-Jaffy alot to like about him!
Seems a pretty down to earth 'kiwi bloke', not too overawed or enthused by how things have gone so far, also liked how he said we had taken a couple of small steps forward. and knows there is still work to do.
Saw posts elsewhere here re his relationship with Razor and how this may have strained that, I dont doubt it was pretty tough for him, but ultimately he has his own path, I expect he wanted it to follow with Razor but that wasnt to be, so he is forging ahead down his own path.
@taniwharugby tbh I'd think less of Razor if he publicly cast any shade at Ryan. I think his ideal vision (like Joseph and Brown) would have been joining the ABs together. Nothing wrong with that at all. From what we know of Robertson I think he'd have been more worried he might lose Ryan in the future if he went down on HMS Fozzie in the meantime.
But I am stoked Ryan is in the mix and clearly pushing some of our game in the right direction. Hard to say how much general coaching IP Ryan will bring from the saders outside of Robertsons personal influence and skills/strats.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
Honestly, if you cant fill a 20k ground in a city that size, that is patheticI'm no Village Of The Damned apologist but I've been to the ground once in 2018. I'm not a tall man (hovering around 6ft) but I found it cramped and uncomfortable, very tight to manoeuvre in and out of the row, and the atmosphere was thick with the aroma of "makeshift" - and secondary school hierarchy of course, but that's another matter...
If I lived in Christchurch, I can understand why punters are reticient to head along.
@Smudge said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-fail-to-sellout-20000-capacity-orangetheory-stadium/
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
Honestly, if you cant fill a 20k ground in a city that size, that is patheticI'm no Village Of The Damned apologist but I've been to the ground once in 2018. I'm not a tall man (hovering around 6ft) but I found it cramped and uncomfortable, very tight to manoeuvre in and out of the row, and the atmosphere was thick with the aroma of "makeshift" - and secondary school hierarchy of course, but that's another matter...
If I lived in Christchurch, I can understand why punters are reticient to head along.
I can understand to an extent but population x supposed “rugby madness” shouldn’t equal this unless you also add in “soft” and “whiners”
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
Or Jason if you know what happened there.
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Hard to go to that stadium people in CHCH are just fucked off with it
the stadium is made of scaffolding, you walk through near ankle deep water when its raining, the price of the tickets compared to the experience is not worth it.Lets see if all the other tests in NZ sell out or are people losing their love for rugby in NZ, NPC crowds are small in a lot of areas SR crowds were down this season.
Rugby is taking a back seat with kids these days more play Football in NZ.
While others are playing playstation and basketball or stealing cars and ram raiding shops. -
Hard to go to that stadium people in CHCH are just fucked off with it
the stadium is made of scaffolding, you walk through near ankle deep water when its raining, the price of the tickets compared to the experience is not worth it.Lets see if all the other tests in NZ sell out or are people losing their love for rugby in NZ, NPC crowds are small in a lot of areas SR crowds were down this season.
Rugby is taking a back seat with kids these days more play Football in NZ.
While others are playing playstation and basketball or stealing cars and ram raiding shops.@Chris all fair points.
But honestly, it's the All Blacks. Traditionally the best rugby team in the world, playing for the first time in 6 years. And if you don't go, they won't be back untl the MUA is built ... and god knows what ticket prices will be there.
If I was there I'd go. Went to the last NPC final at Lancaster Park in 2010. There were about 2k people there - a bit of rain around, but still a decent stadium.
I'll also just drop in that 45k people went to the Super Final
