All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 He was fucking shit!
And despite what you want, Ardie should be in his shirt and role. Then we can get a proper 8, and a 7/captain that plays the full 80, leads from the front and has been the ABs best player for years. Yes his captaincy is not the best, but neither was McCaws when he started
@Machpants Yeah, Savea would be a way better 7 than him.
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BTW... am contemplating staying off the Fern for a few days.
I know what we're all thinking...
Will mark all as inread about Tuesday.
So not disagreeing with you, doesn't mean I agree with you ... just means I haven't read you ...
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Cane gets by from being a nice guy from the middle of nowhere. He is an absolutely terrible rugby player. He should get the fuck out of the All Blacks.
I really like him. I think it was circa 2016 he put on the most dominant tackling display I've ever seen against Wales in Cardiff. It was frightening.
But those days are long gone and he is yesterdays man.
He should have been picked for the RWC semi final but Hansen Guardiola'd himself by trying something mental in a knockout game.
The talk about succession planning is a farce when Hansens assistant gets the head coach role and then gives the same bloke that was dropped for the semi the captains armband.
Somebody made a highlight reel of those tackles and it was stunning viewing. I really want to find it again. it was on planet rugby.
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
And, like the last Terminator movie, several years ago. When you look at the team list, I'd suggest there is a better balance to that back row that allows Cane to get on with his job in that instance.
Team list:
1 Kane Hames
2 Codie Taylor
3 Nepo Laulala
4 Patrick Tuipulotu
5 Samuel Whitelock (Captain)
6 Liam Squire
7 Sam Cane
8 Luke Whitelock
9 Aaron Smith
10 Beauden Barrett
11 Rieko Ioane
12 Sonny Bill Williams
13 Ryan Crotty
14 Waisake Naholo
15 Damian McKenzieReplacements
16 Nathan Harris
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
19 Scott Barrett
20 Matt Todd
21 TJ Perenara
22 Lima Sopoaga
23 Anton Lienert-Brown -
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
And, like the last Terminator movie, several years ago. When you look at the team list, I'd suggest there is a better balance to that back row that allows Cane to get on with his job in that instance.
Team list:
1 Kane Hames
2 Codie Taylor
3 Nepo Laulala
4 Patrick Tuipulotu
5 Samuel Whitelock (Captain)
6 Liam Squire
7 Sam Cane
8 Luke Whitelock
9 Aaron Smith
10 Beauden Barrett
11 Rieko Ioane
12 Sonny Bill Williams
13 Ryan Crotty
14 Waisake Naholo
15 Damian McKenzieReplacements
16 Nathan Harris
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
19 Scott Barrett
20 Matt Todd
21 TJ Perenara
22 Lima Sopoaga
23 Anton Lienert-Brown@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
And, like the last Terminator movie, several years ago. When you look at the team list, I'd suggest there is a better balance to that back row that allows Cane to get on with his job in that instance.
Team list:
1 Kane Hames
2 Codie Taylor
3 Nepo Laulala
4 Patrick Tuipulotu
5 Samuel Whitelock (Captain)
6 Liam Squire
7 Sam Cane
8 Luke Whitelock
9 Aaron Smith
10 Beauden Barrett
11 Rieko Ioane
12 Sonny Bill Williams
13 Ryan Crotty
14 Waisake Naholo
15 Damian McKenzieReplacements
16 Nathan Harris
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
19 Scott Barrett
20 Matt Todd
21 TJ Perenara
22 Lima Sopoaga
23 Anton Lienert-BrownBetter balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 He was fucking shit!
He was no Codie Taylor
Thank fuck there's only one
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 He was fucking shit!
He was no Codie Taylor
Thank fuck there's only one
They could clone him just like Star Wars Stormtroopers. For accuracy.
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Cane gets by from being a nice guy from the middle of nowhere. He is an absolutely terrible rugby player. He should get the fuck out of the All Blacks.
I really like him. I think it was circa 2016 he put on the most dominant tackling display I've ever seen against Wales in Cardiff. It was frightening.
But those days are long gone and he is yesterdays man.
He should have been picked for the RWC semi final but Hansen Guardiola'd himself by trying something mental in a knockout game.
The talk about succession planning is a farce when Hansens assistant gets the head coach role and then gives the same bloke that was dropped for the semi the captains armband.
Somebody made a highlight reel of those tackles and it was stunning viewing. I really want to find it again. it was on planet rugby.
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Sam Cane gets by from being a nice guy from the middle of nowhere. He is an absolutely terrible rugby player. He should get the fuck out of the All Blacks.
I really like him. I think it was circa 2016 he put on the most dominant tackling display I've ever seen against Wales in Cardiff. It was frightening.
But those days are long gone and he is yesterdays man.
He should have been picked for the RWC semi final but Hansen Guardiola'd himself by trying something mental in a knockout game.
The talk about succession planning is a farce when Hansens assistant gets the head coach role and then gives the same bloke that was dropped for the semi the captains armband.
Somebody made a highlight reel of those tackles and it was stunning viewing. I really want to find it again. it was on planet rugby.
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
Good analogy, Arnie is 75.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
And, like the last Terminator movie, several years ago. When you look at the team list, I'd suggest there is a better balance to that back row that allows Cane to get on with his job in that instance.
Team list:
1 Kane Hames
2 Codie Taylor
3 Nepo Laulala
4 Patrick Tuipulotu
5 Samuel Whitelock (Captain)
6 Liam Squire
7 Sam Cane
8 Luke Whitelock
9 Aaron Smith
10 Beauden Barrett
11 Rieko Ioane
12 Sonny Bill Williams
13 Ryan Crotty
14 Waisake Naholo
15 Damian McKenzieReplacements
16 Nathan Harris
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
19 Scott Barrett
20 Matt Todd
21 TJ Perenara
22 Lima Sopoaga
23 Anton Lienert-BrownBetter balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
And, like the last Terminator movie, several years ago. When you look at the team list, I'd suggest there is a better balance to that back row that allows Cane to get on with his job in that instance.
Team list:
1 Kane Hames
2 Codie Taylor
3 Nepo Laulala
4 Patrick Tuipulotu
5 Samuel Whitelock (Captain)
6 Liam Squire
7 Sam Cane
8 Luke Whitelock
9 Aaron Smith
10 Beauden Barrett
11 Rieko Ioane
12 Sonny Bill Williams
13 Ryan Crotty
14 Waisake Naholo
15 Damian McKenzieReplacements
16 Nathan Harris
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
19 Scott Barrett
20 Matt Todd
21 TJ Perenara
22 Lima Sopoaga
23 Anton Lienert-BrownBetter balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
This
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What you wouldn't give for SBW and Crotty now eh?
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
What you wouldn't give for SBW and Crotty now eh?
Given they were a substantial step down from Nonu and Smith I hate to imagine the slow, unskilled, tiny donkeys in the AB 12 and 13 jerseys come 2024……
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BTW... am contemplating staying off the Fern for a few days.
I know what we're all thinking...
Will mark all as inread about Tuesday.
So not disagreeing with you, doesn't mean I agree with you ... just means I haven't read you ...
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
BTW... am contemplating staying off the Fern for a few days.
I know what we're all thinking...
Will mark all as inread about Tuesday.
So not disagreeing with you, doesn't mean I agree with you ... just means I haven't read you ...
Love you #booboo
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
it was this game. Terminator stuff.
And, like the last Terminator movie, several years ago. When you look at the team list, I'd suggest there is a better balance to that back row that allows Cane to get on with his job in that instance.
Team list:
1 Kane Hames
2 Codie Taylor
3 Nepo Laulala
4 Patrick Tuipulotu
5 Samuel Whitelock (Captain)
6 Liam Squire
7 Sam Cane
8 Luke Whitelock
9 Aaron Smith
10 Beauden Barrett
11 Rieko Ioane
12 Sonny Bill Williams
13 Ryan Crotty
14 Waisake Naholo
15 Damian McKenzieReplacements
16 Nathan Harris
17 Wyatt Crockett
18 Ofa Tu'ungafasi
19 Scott Barrett
20 Matt Todd
21 TJ Perenara
22 Lima Sopoaga
23 Anton Lienert-BrownBetter balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
Squire had his moments to be fair.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
Squire had his moments to be fair.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
Squire had his moments to be fair.
Yeah I thought he went alright.
I guess to extended my point using that game against Wales as an example; highlights the real issue about the ABs: using backline bullshit to win games for a decade and then slamming into brick wall defences that bullshit can't unlock.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
The Ardie at 8 is a really interesting phenominom, fenominum, phenomenon. Whatever. It started with coaches, I am pretty sure in ABs, realising his potential off the back of an attacking scrum. He's so fucking awesome at that. And even when he was playing 7, he'd go to the back for attacking scrums. That's really where is should have ended. But it didn't. And our best 7 since Richie has been unbalancing back rows since
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
What chance Gregor Paul will have an article tomorrow about why isn't Papalii playing ...
I don't have a problem at all that he's not playing, cos Ardie is so much much better. Really, paps is great but he's no Ardie. The point is more why Ardie and Cane are in the same loose trio.
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