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Blues 2023

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300669616/tana-umaga-set-to-rejoin-blues-coaching-staff-for-super-rugby-pacific-2023

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    • TimT Tim

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300669616/tana-umaga-set-to-rejoin-blues-coaching-staff-for-super-rugby-pacific-2023

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      @Tim wow, I did not see that one coming.

      Awesome player, great human being, terrible head coach for the Blues

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      • TimT Tim

        Sam Darry is listed at 2.03m and 110 kg in the NPC media guide. I guess he needs to be about 118 kg to be effective? I wonder if the can get there for next season?

        https://www.provincial.rugby/assets/Media-Guide_NPC_Canterbury.jpg

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        @Tim said in Blues 2022:

        Sam Darry is listed at 2.03m and 110 kg in the NPC media guide. I guess he needs to be about 118 kg to be effective? I wonder if the can get there for next season?

        I wouldn't take those weights as gospel.

        If you believe them then Cullen Grace is 11cms taller than Billy Harmon, but 2kgs lighter.

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        • Chris B.C Chris B.

          @Tim said in Blues 2022:

          Sam Darry is listed at 2.03m and 110 kg in the NPC media guide. I guess he needs to be about 118 kg to be effective? I wonder if the can get there for next season?

          I wouldn't take those weights as gospel.

          If you believe them then Cullen Grace is 11cms taller than Billy Harmon, but 2kgs lighter.

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          @Chris-B Scales calibrate differently in Canterbury, and they use different measuring tapes, too. :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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          • nzzpN nzzp

            @Tim wow, I did not see that one coming.

            Awesome player, great human being, terrible head coach for the Blues

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            @nzzp said in Blues 2022:

            @Tim wow, I did not see that one coming.

            Awesome player, great human being, terrible head coach for the Blues

            You forget 'excellent defence coach'. I see Rangi has a different role in mind this time around but he did a great job turning out some of the best D stats in the comp.

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              Umaga had two stints as defence coach. The defence was terrible in his first stint as defence coach under a head coach called Tana.

              His second stint was a lost better under a different head coach

              The difference wasn't so much the head coach but the forwards coach - Coventry. There was nothing special about the defence structure but the scrambling defence improved massively after Coventry arrived. He put an emphasis on getting back to the feet and making second efforts

              That's why the transition to McGrath has been seamless

              As for Umaga returning in a mentor role, that sounds good if he has a good connection with the players. Just keep him away from the technical coaching

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              • DuluthD Duluth

                Umaga had two stints as defence coach. The defence was terrible in his first stint as defence coach under a head coach called Tana.

                His second stint was a lost better under a different head coach

                The difference wasn't so much the head coach but the forwards coach - Coventry. There was nothing special about the defence structure but the scrambling defence improved massively after Coventry arrived. He put an emphasis on getting back to the feet and making second efforts

                That's why the transition to McGrath has been seamless

                As for Umaga returning in a mentor role, that sounds good if he has a good connection with the players. Just keep him away from the technical coaching

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                @Duluth respectfully. Bollocks.

                I agree that he struggled as Head Coach. Those struggles quite obviously flowed through to his other duties.
                As an assistant specialising in defence the tackle completion rates were among the best and the clean breaks against among the lowest. How are either of those dependent on the forwards coach getting better forward scramble. If they need to scramble then either a tackle has been missed or a clean break made.
                There's a couple of posters here that are so bitter about the performances of successive coaches under crap management (so bad that NZR had to step in) that they fail to give any credit where it is due.
                Pat Lam's bank manager is still laughing.

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                  Tana is a fine assistant coach at this level (and potentially higher). Happy to have him back.

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                    I think it may have already been aluded to that he was off but Josh Goodhue confirmed to be going to the blackrams in Japan

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                    • GrooterG Grooter

                      I think it may have already been aluded to that he was off but Josh Goodhue confirmed to be going to the blackrams in Japan

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                      @FakatavaAllBlack

                      Thanks for the update.

                      Here is the source:

                      https://blackrams-tokyo.com/news/information/2022-2023/20220829.html

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                      • GrooterG Grooter

                        I think it may have already been aluded to that he was off but Josh Goodhue confirmed to be going to the blackrams in Japan

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                        @FakatavaAllBlack said in Blues 2022:

                        I think it may have already been alluded to that he was off but Josh Goodhue confirmed to be going to the blackrams in Japan

                        Makes sense for him. He's just finished his best SR season so his stocks will be high. Plus he beats the rush of post RWC Japan moves from Test players.

                        I wonder how much longer he could go at SR level too? Unfortunately for him he seemed to get injured a lot

                        For the Blues - Tuipulotu should be back but we probably need more out of Darry. Hopefully we keep all of the Flanker/Locks (Robinson, Suafoa, Tucker)

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                        • GrooterG Grooter

                          I think it may have already been aluded to that he was off but Josh Goodhue confirmed to be going to the blackrams in Japan

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                          @FakatavaAllBlack stink, was just discussing that at the game yesterday that it hadnt yet been confirmed, guess may be why he has been coming off the bench last 2 weeks?

                          But yeah, good on him, given the injury/head issues he has had, hope he makes some good coin!

                          Hoping we get to see Kali Vaipulu at some point for Northland this year (good prospect for Blues dev) although with our current locking stocks, unlikely, but has been in our dev team so hopefully he will stick around as I expect we may lose one of Hallam-Eames or Caird next year too.

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                            So Blues need a replacement Lock if Romano doesn't come back.

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                              So Blues need a replacement Lock if Romano doesn't come back.

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                              @Chris Pretty sure he said he is retiring from Super Rugby?

                              Not convinced by the Auckland locks so far. Might be a young player who comes in.

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                                @Chris Pretty sure he said he is retiring from Super Rugby?

                                Not convinced by the Auckland locks so far. Might be a young player who comes in.

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                                @Tim said in Blues 2023:

                                @Chris Pretty sure he said he is retiring from Super Rugby?

                                Not convinced by the Auckland locks so far. Might be a young player who comes in.

                                Yeah I heard he is done playing SR.

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                                  @Chris Pretty sure he said he is retiring from Super Rugby?

                                  Not convinced by the Auckland locks so far. Might be a young player who comes in.

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                                  @Tim said in Blues 2023:

                                  Not convinced by the Auckland locks so far. Might be a young player who comes in.

                                  I don't think there's any reason to pick Dalzell or Lane. They both look like their ceiling is NPC

                                  Blues u20's locks were:
                                  James Brown (Auckland)
                                  Allan Craig (Northland)
                                  Josh Beehre (Auckland)

                                  Beehre and Craig have both had starts in the NPC

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                                  • DuluthD Duluth

                                    @Tim said in Blues 2023:

                                    Not convinced by the Auckland locks so far. Might be a young player who comes in.

                                    I don't think there's any reason to pick Dalzell or Lane. They both look like their ceiling is NPC

                                    Blues u20's locks were:
                                    James Brown (Auckland)
                                    Allan Craig (Northland)
                                    Josh Beehre (Auckland)

                                    Beehre and Craig have both had starts in the NPC

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                                    @Duluth said in Blues 2023:

                                    Josh Beehre (Auckland)

                                    I like the look of this young player.

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                                      @FakatavaAllBlack stink, was just discussing that at the game yesterday that it hadnt yet been confirmed, guess may be why he has been coming off the bench last 2 weeks?

                                      But yeah, good on him, given the injury/head issues he has had, hope he makes some good coin!

                                      Hoping we get to see Kali Vaipulu at some point for Northland this year (good prospect for Blues dev) although with our current locking stocks, unlikely, but has been in our dev team so hopefully he will stick around as I expect we may lose one of Hallam-Eames or Caird next year too.

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                                      @taniwharugby Wish Northland had picked Kali Vaipula given Josh Goodhue was heading to Jaoan ..has genuine international size and is an athlete but given the stocks at lock were healthy in the squad i can understand why he was not picked

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                                        @Duluth said in Blues 2023:

                                        Josh Beehre (Auckland)

                                        I like the look of this young player.

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                                        African Monkey
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                                        @Chris Wish he'd see more gametime for Auckland ahead of Vest.

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                                          @Chris Wish he'd see more gametime for Auckland ahead of Vest.

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                                          @African-Monkey said in Blues 2023:

                                          @Chris Wish he'd see more gametime for Auckland ahead of Vest.

                                          Weird that decision for Best and Pugh to be bought over from Aussie.
                                          With a lot of young talent in Auckland.

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