All Blacks v Argentina II
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The heat might be on, so they need to roll the dice.
De Groot, ST, Newell (or is he other side) for 65 mins
SW (c) Vaai
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Fakatava, Mounga
Tupaea, Reiko
Clarke, Jordie, JordanColes, lomax, Bower, SB, Savea, Smith, perofeta, Reece
@taniwharugby yuk! no.
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@taniwharugby I'd said that's more panicking than rolling the dice.
I didn't read one person last week who wasn't saying keep the team that beat the Boks, it's all about continuity, Foster's worst problem is chopping and changing.....
I'd keep the tight 5 - chuck in some any/one other than Taylor for the bench.
The loosies I would look at changing. Sotutu should come in but how long since he had game time? We need to select a loose forward trio not just the three players that we want to run on. Personally I think Cane gets a lot of shit because he'sdoing a job others aren't but I think he should get rested. Savea to the bench.
I'd leave the backs as they are evn though I'm not sold on any of them really, but they get told it's last drink at the saloon and make them do what worked in SAII i.e. abandon the flat attack BS
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I didn't read one person last week who wasn't saying keep the team that beat the Boks, it's all about continuity, Foster's worst problem is chopping and changing.....
I expect people were sitting with baited breath to see if we could back up Ellis PArk...turned out we couldnt.
At some point we need to realise what we are doing aint working and start building for the future, some of the younger guys need to be given a chance to step up, while giving some (Savea) a rest.
Problem is, Fozzie has dug himself a big ol' hole, and I expect he is hoping his tried and tested (and failed for the past 10 months) will pull through and give him some breathing space.
Whatever way he plays it, something is bound to go wrong anyway!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
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Cane will be fresh after the rest he got last week
I guess with Retallick being fit we will see….
4- Retallick
5 - Whitelock
6 - S. Barrett
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
@Nepia One of our (many) issues is that no one really plays the seven game - or the eight - or the fucking six for shits sake.
It is one reason why it is difficult to pick the loosies or even evaluate their performances. Is Cane shit because he's not a fetcher or is he buried in the tight covering for others. If so is it because the others are shirking or following instructions.
You can make similar arguments for all three positions
Oh for the good old days of a fast pilfering link player, a tall enforcer type that scares the opposition and can make good metres and another lineout option who ranges wider as a sort of blend of the first two. All three of whom hit hard in the tackle and empty their tanks.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
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Tbh I'm past caring who they pick and am more concerned about how they get told to play. You'd think the players in the squad should be good enough to beat Argentina, but who knows these days.
Shit, it's so goddam depressing.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
That's depressing reading. You wouldn't think they'd need to lose 6 out of their last 8 matches to figure this stuff out.
Expecting to see Beauden & Retallick back. I can't say either fill me with much excitement.
Hoping to see Hoskins. 6th time might be the charm.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
Me neither but I have vivid memories of JC/Richie/Rodders and then JK/Richie/Read.
I definitely have Rugby alzheimers.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
Me neither but I have vivid memories of JC/Richie/Rodders and then JK/Richie/Read.
I definitely have Rugby alzheimers.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
Jaysus, I can barely remember trios picked from 12 days ago let alone 12 months ago.
Sadly no chance of that trio again for a while with Blackadder injured and Sotutu the non playing squad member.
Me neither but I have vivid memories of JC/Richie/Rodders and then JK/Richie/Read.
I definitely have Rugby alzheimers.
I also have vivid memories of MJ/AJ/Buck and Kronfeld/MJ/Zinny.
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Tremaine, Kirkpatrick, Lochore
Mourie, Kirkpatrick, Knight,
Mourie, Shaw, MextedHave our loosies ever been this ineffective?
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tremaine, Kirkpatrick, Lochore
Mourie, Kirkpatrick, Knight,
Mourie, Shaw, MextedHave our loosies ever been this ineffective?
Going back to those loosies is a bit strange, they played such a different tyle then. There was no turnover ball almost ever in those days because you could not put hands near ball on ground, and loosies main job was to blow people over and run with ball. Lohore's great strength was actually really mainly his covering defence work. Such a different game then.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tremaine, Kirkpatrick, Lochore
Mourie, Kirkpatrick, Knight,
Mourie, Shaw, MextedHave our loosies ever been this ineffective?
Going back to those loosies is a bit strange, they played such a different tyle then. There was no turnover ball almost ever in those days because you could not put hands near ball on ground, and loosies main job was to blow people over and run with ball. Lohore's great strength was actually really mainly his covering defence work. Such a different game then.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Pleased he's back and fit, but, jeez that was a hard read - almost cringeworthy in places. I know it's only one interview, but it was so buzzword & cliche-ridden he sounded like a team leader in a failing call centre.
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The heat might be on, so they need to roll the dice.
De Groot, ST, Newell (or is he other side) for 65 mins
SW (c) Vaai
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Fakatava, Mounga
Tupaea, Reiko
Clarke, Jordie, JordanColes, lomax, Bower, SB, Savea, Smith, perofeta, Reece
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The heat might be on, so they need to roll the dice.
De Groot, ST, Newell (or is he other side) for 65 mins
SW (c) Vaai
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Fakatava, Mounga
Tupaea, Reiko
Clarke, Jordie, JordanColes, lomax, Bower, SB, Savea, Smith, perofeta, Reece
Lomax > Newell, at this time. This will probably change for the next WC or even before. Newell is currently ineffective in the mauls where he seems a bit lost. Lomax is also better at cleaning rucks. Scrummaging is OK for both of them.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Pleased he's back and fit, but, jeez that was a hard read - almost cringeworthy in places. I know it's only one interview, but it was so buzzword & cliche-ridden he sounded like a team leader in a failing call centre.
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@Victor-Meldrew Yeah that interview made me feel sick. Foster still finding his feet despite a billion fucking years in the ABs and now be head coach. WTAF?
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew Yeah that interview made me feel sick. Foster still finding his feet despite a billion fucking years in the ABs and now be head coach. WTAF?
Think he was talking about Schmidt's input and finding their collective feet more than anything else - and the tension between Schmidt's ball-retention approach and the AB's run-the-ball "DNA". Sounds like a bit of a culture-change or culture-clash issue. Surprised to hear that from a 106 Test veteran, though, and thought he'd be a bit more circumspect.
If there's an issue there it needs to be sorted out pronto otherwise Pumas II could look like Pumas I
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew Yeah that interview made me feel sick. Foster still finding his feet despite a billion fucking years in the ABs and now be head coach. WTAF?
Think he was talking about Schmidt's input and finding their collective feet more than anything else - and the tension between Schmidt's ball-retention approach and the AB's run-the-ball "DNA". Sounds like a bit of a culture-change or culture-clash issue. Surprised to hear that from a 106 Test veteran, though, and thought he'd be a bit more circumspect.
If there's an issue there it needs to be sorted out pronto otherwise Pumas II could look like Pumas I
@Victor-Meldrew I think you mean Pumas II could look like Pumas I, which looked like SA I, which looked like IRE III, which looked like IRE II. Which looked like EOYT FRA, which looked like EOYT IRE, which looked like ARG first victory, which looked like IRE first victory, etc etc.
Only if there's an issue of course.
