All Blacks v Argentina II
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Did you watch the third test vs Ireland?
If we play that badly again, my wine collection as well as the TV might end up in the swimming pool. If we can at least break the "two losses in a row" pattern we've seen in the last year or so, that would be progress of sorts.
A solid, calm start would be a good thing to see. Get some points on the board and then take control for a good win rather than playing from kick-off as if there's a 50 point cushion.
Good God man, give yourself an uppercut and get a grip.
Skull the wine to help with the depression, don’t get rid of it.
Better still I'll PM you my address. I'll even pick up delivery charges.
The '72 Liebfraumilch is drinking well.....
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Liebfraumilch
We had a nice Spätburgunder on Wednesday.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I wonder if too many guys in the team have a natural instinct to go wide as soon as we cross the advantage line irrespective of where the space may in fact be. "Eyes up" rugby in my mind would have seen some of our backs - probably midfielders and maybe the blind winger - steaming through the midfield channels to provide support for the forwards who had gone through there.
Get the ball into the hands of our best attacking weapons as often as possible. Are you mad????
That is structured play. Foster is not having a bar of it.
Another post missing the point.
Not doing it is the very stuff the coaches were annoyed about. Instinct to go wide when it isn’t on.On the suggestion though Clarke did try coming infield for a burst a couple of times IIRC. Jordan, however was conspicuously absent and JB stopped appearing where he was needed
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I wonder if too many guys in the team have a natural instinct to go wide as soon as we cross the advantage line irrespective of where the space may in fact be. "Eyes up" rugby in my mind would have seen some of our backs - probably midfielders and maybe the blind winger - steaming through the midfield channels to provide support for the forwards who had gone through there.
Get the ball into the hands of our best attacking weapons as often as possible. Are you mad????
That is structured play. Foster is not having a bar of it.
Another post missing the point.
Not doing it is the very stuff the coaches were annoyed about. Instinct to go wide when it isn’t on.On the suggestion though Clarke did try coming infield for a burst a couple of times IIRC. Jordan, however was conspicuously absent and JB stopped appearing where he was needed
And this is exactly who I had in mind when I said the following:
"Eyes up" rugby in my mind would have seen some of our backs - probably midfielders and maybe the blind winger - steaming through the midfield channels to provide support for the forwards who had gone through there.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I wonder if too many guys in the team have a natural instinct to go wide as soon as we cross the advantage line irrespective of where the space may in fact be. "Eyes up" rugby in my mind would have seen some of our backs - probably midfielders and maybe the blind winger - steaming through the midfield channels to provide support for the forwards who had gone through there.
Get the ball into the hands of our best attacking weapons as often as possible. Are you mad????
That is structured play. Foster is not having a bar of it.
Another post missing the point.
Not doing it is the very stuff the coaches were annoyed about. Instinct to go wide when it isn’t on.On the suggestion though Clarke did try coming infield for a burst a couple of times IIRC. Jordan, however was conspicuously absent and JB stopped appearing where he was needed
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Another post missing the point.
Not doing it is the very stuff the coaches were annoyed about. Instinct to go wide when it isn’t on.On the suggestion though Clarke did try coming infield for a burst a couple of times IIRC. Jordan, however was conspicuously absent and JB stopped appearing where he was needed
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
I call BS on that. I say they are doing what he tells them to do. Otherwise he would drop them, like any coach with players who don't stick to the game plan.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Another post missing the point.
Not doing it is the very stuff the coaches were annoyed about. Instinct to go wide when it isn’t on.On the suggestion though Clarke did try coming infield for a burst a couple of times IIRC. Jordan, however was conspicuously absent and JB stopped appearing where he was needed
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
I call BS on that. I say they are doing what he tells them to do. Otherwise he would drop them, like any coach with players who don't stick to the game plan.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Another post missing the point.
Not doing it is the very stuff the coaches were annoyed about. Instinct to go wide when it isn’t on.On the suggestion though Clarke did try coming infield for a burst a couple of times IIRC. Jordan, however was conspicuously absent and JB stopped appearing where he was needed
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
Perhaps he's correct and the coaching should be judged on how well they respond to it. I recall exactly the same laments by Hansen and Sir Ted before him. The difference is the amount of experience in the squad so one might expect these problems to surface wilt slightly more regularity.
What's abundantly clear to me is the learnings of previous iterations haven't flowed through to this squad. You draw from and add to the crucible and the level of experience determines the strength of the forging. It's unfortunate that the same lessons have be retaught.
At the moment the compounding problem to addressing the manner in which we play is the mental fragility, the panic that fixates the vision. They're clearly tightening up and not seeing the very opportunities they're creating. Winning, like losing, becomes a habit.
The well from which we draw isn't as deep either. That's plainly obvious when you look at the squad we took to the 2007 RWC. Any iteration of that squad would defeat the current All Blacks - something I doubt you could say about many other nations.
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There were still tickets on Friday?
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There were still tickets on Friday?
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
There were still tickets on Friday?
There aer still the odd tickets available right now!
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
There were still tickets on Friday?
There aer still the odd tickets available right now!
What are prices like?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Another post missing the point.
Not doing it is the very stuff the coaches were annoyed about. Instinct to go wide when it isn’t on.On the suggestion though Clarke did try coming infield for a burst a couple of times IIRC. Jordan, however was conspicuously absent and JB stopped appearing where he was needed
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
I call BS on that. I say they are doing what he tells them to do. Otherwise he would drop them, like any coach with players who don't stick to the game plan.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
Do you want him to join the commentary team and call out player errors in real-time?
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There were still tickets on Friday?
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
There were still tickets on Friday?
I wasn't expecting the game to sellout. I'm not going! $115 to sit in my usual seats, which aren't in the main grandstand. $180 for the most expensive tickets.
Unfortunately after having no rain all week there is rain forecast during the test.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
Do you want him to join the commentary team and call out player errors in real-time?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
Do you want him to join the commentary team and call out player errors in real-time?
There were quite a few errors and defensive issues that were also costly.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
Do you want him to join the commentary team and call out player errors in real-time?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
Do you want him to join the commentary team and call out player errors in real-time?
Except for, you know, repeatedly selecting him while underperforming. And subbing someone playing superbly and throwing accurately for him.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
Do you want him to join the commentary team and call out player errors in real-time?
Except for, you know, repeatedly selecting him while underperforming. And subbing someone playing superbly and throwing accurately for him.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
Do you want him to join the commentary team and call out player errors in real-time?
Except for, you know, repeatedly selecting him while underperforming. And subbing someone playing superbly and throwing accurately for him.
Not sure what that's got to do with forwards not being able to execute the really basic stuff like line-out throws to win/save a game. Poor coaching at Super level probably.
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in Pumas II
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
There were still tickets on Friday?
I wasn't expecting the game to sellout. I'm not going! $115 to sit in my usual seats, which aren't in the main grandstand. $180 for the most expensive tickets.
Unfortunately after having no rain all week there is rain forecast during the test.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
There were still tickets on Friday?
I wasn't expecting the game to sellout. I'm not going! $115 to sit in my usual seats, which aren't in the main grandstand. $180 for the most expensive tickets.
Unfortunately after having no rain all week there is rain forecast during the test.
Platinum tickets for Sydney tomorrow night $250
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster seems to blame the players for their poor play at every point. "They don't do the awesome things I tell them to do" seems to be his perennial cry.
Taylor's lineout throwing in Pumas 1, which probably cost us the game, had nothing to do with Foster and was all down to Taylor and the forwards. I hope he gave them a good kick up the arse for that shit.
It's only afterwards that he has to find someone to blame.
Do you want him to join the commentary team and call out player errors in real-time?
Except for, you know, repeatedly selecting him while underperforming. And subbing someone playing superbly and throwing accurately for him.
Not sure what that's got to do with forwards not being able to execute the really basic stuff like line-out throws to win/save a game. Poor coaching at Super level probably.
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in Pumas II
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in
PumasIreland IIAgree
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in
PumasIreland IIAgree
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in
PumasIreland IIAgree
I think you mean Ireland III
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in
PumasIreland IIAgree
I think you mean Ireland III
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in
PumasIreland IIAgree
I think you mean Ireland III
I definitely do not. Feel free to check my posts after the first test
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in
PumasIreland IIAgree
I think you mean Ireland III
I definitely do not. Feel free to check my posts after the first test
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in
PumasIreland IIAgree
I think you mean Ireland III
I definitely do not. Feel free to check my posts after the first test
Ireland III was way worse IMHO.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in
PumasIreland IIAgree
I think you mean Ireland III
I definitely do not. Feel free to check my posts after the first test
Ireland III was way worse IMHO.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Need to see that sort of stuff gone - starting in
PumasIreland IIAgree
I think you mean Ireland III
I definitely do not. Feel free to check my posts after the first test
Ireland III was way worse IMHO.
Now you're getting it...
