All Blacks v Argentina II
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Foster Hinted at some new players to be selected we may see some changes for the EOYT.
I don’t see any stand outs outside the squad yet
Some young guns coming through but vastly inexperienced.Maybe a couple of projects will be selected.
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster Hinted at some new players to be selected we may see some changes for the EOYT.
I don’t see any stand outs outside the squad yet
Some young guns coming through but vastly inexperienced.Maybe a couple of projects will be selected.
Isn’t there a B team also going? Better to leave any”projects” in that team so they get more game time
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Re Jordan, my recollection was that he has never started a test at fullback. Strangely the AB site lists him as a fullback and also says he has started in the 15 jersey yet I'm stuffed if I can work out when.
Any ideas?Maybe off the bench sometime where they don’t list who he subbed?
I just checked this. Jordan has started all his games in black on the wing. Of the 4 times that he didn't start, he replaced Laumape, Clarke, Bridge and Fainga'anuku.
If he has played at fullback for the ABs, it's most likely the test where he replaced Laumape. Jordie was playing fullback that game, and maybe, just maybe (I can't remember) Jordie shifted to 12 when Laumape went off, with Jordan coming in at fullback? Just guessing here. That was his debut game and it lasted 5 minutes. He was replaced by McKenzie 5 minutes later due to injury.
@Stargazer where are you getting the stats? They're awesome... Are they publicly available
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster Hinted at some new players to be selected we may see some changes for the EOYT.
I don’t see any stand outs outside the squad yet
Some young guns coming through but vastly inexperienced.Maybe a couple of projects will be selected.
Isn’t there a B team also going? Better to leave any”projects” in that team so they get more game time
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Foster Hinted at some new players to be selected we may see some changes for the EOYT.
I don’t see any stand outs outside the squad yet
Some young guns coming through but vastly inexperienced.Maybe a couple of projects will be selected.
Isn’t there a B team also going? Better to leave any”projects” in that team so they get more game time
There is a B team of course,Which where some new blood should be selected.
But Foster did mentioned the AB's when he was talking about New blood.
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@Stargazer where are you getting the stats? They're awesome... Are they publicly available
@nzzp The usual SANZAAR match stats and ESPN stats mention the minute a player has been subbed on or off. (Also World Rugby match sheets.) Look at the length of the game, calculated the number of minutes. Error margin of about 1 or 2 minutes. Easy to do for players with few caps, not so much for veterans.
The it's rugby website also has the playing minutes, but I've found them less reliable.
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Re Jordan, my recollection was that he has never started a test at fullback. Strangely the AB site lists him as a fullback and also says he has started in the 15 jersey yet I'm stuffed if I can work out when.
Any ideas?@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Re Jordan, my recollection was that he has never started a test at fullback. Strangely the AB site lists him as a fullback and also says he has started in the 15 jersey yet I'm stuffed if I can work out when.
Any ideas?He hasn’t played at fullback not even as a sub, that I can remember. He’s played on both wings though.
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@Stargazer where are you getting the stats? They're awesome... Are they publicly available
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On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
same here
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On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
@Nepia always though one of Jordans best qualities is timing a run, the was one last year (cant remember the game) but he came from a long way back to hit the ball perfectly
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right, key points for me
- argentina didn;t seem to e implementing the rush defence, just seemed to be waiting for us, left it all on the field last week? our backline definitely had more time to do shit, that and their shit handling helped a lot
But, we still had to make the most of it
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cant stepped up hugely, no problem seeing him subbed when he has a game like that, savea and frizell both good games too and the whole deal looked more cohesive
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im sure i heard at about 60min in we'd only made two handling errors...thats what we use to see all the time
far from the finished article, i hope we keep building on this
cane needs to keep putting in performances like that, i would still be interested to see
12 jordie 14 reece,15 jordanHavili had a good game and i wouldn't drop him purely on the performance...but i still suspect that combo would be stronger than the sum of its parts
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
right, key points for me
- argentina didn;t seem to e implementing the rush defence, just seemed to be waiting for us, left it all on the field last week? our backline definitely had more time to do shit, that and their shit handling helped a lot
But, we still had to make the most of it
That's because they had to hold back due to the kicking game and the varied ball movement. No use rushing if you don't have a target.
- im sure i heard at about 60min in we'd only made two handling errors...thats what we use to see all the time
Really? Very low error rate games aren't that common I would think. Might see if a stats search can support that.
far from the finished article, i hope we keep building on this
cane needs to keep putting in performances like that, i would still be interested to see
12 jordie 14 reece,15 jordanHavili had a good game and i wouldn't drop him purely on the performance...but i still suspect that combo would be stronger than the sum of its parts
As much as I am not a fan of Havili, do you really want to undo all of the pain we have endured to get a 12/13 combo going and put another one in? JB would make a good 12 with a gameplan built around his skills but he is chalk and cheese to Havili.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
right, key points for me
- argentina didn;t seem to e implementing the rush defence, just seemed to be waiting for us, left it all on the field last week? our backline definitely had more time to do shit, that and their shit handling helped a lot
But, we still had to make the most of it
That's because they had to hold back due to the kicking game and the varied ball movement. No use rushing if you don't have a target.
- im sure i heard at about 60min in we'd only made two handling errors...thats what we use to see all the time
Really? Very low error rate games aren't that common I would think. Might see if a stats search can support that.
far from the finished article, i hope we keep building on this
cane needs to keep putting in performances like that, i would still be interested to see
12 jordie 14 reece,15 jordanHavili had a good game and i wouldn't drop him purely on the performance...but i still suspect that combo would be stronger than the sum of its parts
As much as I am not a fan of Havili, do you really want to undo all of the pain we have endured to get a 12/13 combo going and put another one in? JB would make a good 12 with a gameplan built around his skills but he is chalk and cheese to Havili.
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
right, key points for me
- argentina didn;t seem to e implementing the rush defence, just seemed to be waiting for us, left it all on the field last week? our backline definitely had more time to do shit, that and their shit handling helped a lot
But, we still had to make the most of it
That's because they had to hold back due to the kicking game and the varied ball movement. No use rushing if you don't have a target.
which is good if its something we've actually forced out of them, i felt it was the other way in that havili and RM had a little more time and so started kicking but im not a back so will concede the point and hope that youre right
- im sure i heard at about 60min in we'd only made two handling errors...thats what we use to see all the time
Really? Very low error rate games aren't that common I would think. Might see if a stats search can support that.
just what i thought i heard from the commentary, have not and prob will not checked
far from the finished article, i hope we keep building on this
cane needs to keep putting in performances like that, i would still be interested to see
12 jordie 14 reece,15 jordanHavili had a good game and i wouldn't drop him purely on the performance...but i still suspect that combo would be stronger than the sum of its parts
As much as I am not a fan of Havili, do you really want to undo all of the pain we have endured to get a 12/13 combo going and put another one in? JB would make a good 12 with a gameplan built around his skills but he is chalk and cheese to Havili.
im a little worried if we're that fragile that it would undo all the hard work and pain, not campaigning for it as yes, havili played well, he just needs to back it up now
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@Snifters probably because of how outstanding he was there last year, they are hoping he will recapture that form. Agree though they should give him a rest and play Reece there against Aus
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Why persist with Jordan on the wing? Is that Fosters M.O persist with players? Play them until they finally deliver a great performance ala the captain last week?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
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Why persist with Jordan on the wing? Is that Fosters M.O persist with players? Play them until they finally deliver a great performance ala the captain last week?
Jordan needs a rest and a bona fide winger needs a crack.@Snifters said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why persist with Jordan on the wing? Is that Fosters M.O persist with players? Play them until they finally deliver a great performance ala the captain last week?
Jordan needs a rest and a bona fide winger needs a crack.I'm not against Jordan having a rest but, yes there is an element of playing the 'best' players into form from these coaches rather than making changes.
I guess that the theory is that changing players while embedding processes needs to be kept at a minimum to get best uptake.
Not saying that I agree in every instance but they will have a far better idea on who is 'close' to getting their piece of the puzzle right than we do.
Once these guys have shown an ability to rinse and repeat, then it is time to rotate through depth.
Jason Ryan made a good point in that the way they are training, the remainder of the squad are getting plenty of 'game time' play against the starters. They aren't going rusty. -
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
nearly did the same to a Puma too!
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@Victor-Meldrew he's a fullback, being played out of position, and he looks like he doesn't really know what to do. Same reason Jordie was a bit shit when he was played on the right wing.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew he's a fullback, being played out of position, and he looks like he doesn't really know what to do. Same reason Jordie was a bit shit when he was played on the right wing.
As others have said, he was probably our most dangerous player (playing on the wing) until a few Tests back. He's going thru a bad patch and may need a rest for a game or two, but Foster is right sticking to him on the wing.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
nearly did the same to a Puma too!
(edit I know they aren't Pumas, sorry, force of habit)..@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
nearly did the same to a Puma too!
(edit I know they aren't Pumas, sorry, force of habit)..Hope Clarke doesn't get himself into trouble with the way he goes into contact ball in hand. I have noticed he is prone to leading with the knee or forearm/elbow sometimes. Nothing malicious but a ref may take exception to it one day, especially if someone gets injured.
