All Blacks v Argentina II
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Why persist with Jordan on the wing? Is that Fosters M.O persist with players? Play them until they finally deliver a great performance ala the captain last week?
Jordan needs a rest and a bona fide winger needs a crack.@Snifters said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Why persist with Jordan on the wing? Is that Fosters M.O persist with players? Play them until they finally deliver a great performance ala the captain last week?
Jordan needs a rest and a bona fide winger needs a crack.I'm not against Jordan having a rest but, yes there is an element of playing the 'best' players into form from these coaches rather than making changes.
I guess that the theory is that changing players while embedding processes needs to be kept at a minimum to get best uptake.
Not saying that I agree in every instance but they will have a far better idea on who is 'close' to getting their piece of the puzzle right than we do.
Once these guys have shown an ability to rinse and repeat, then it is time to rotate through depth.
Jason Ryan made a good point in that the way they are training, the remainder of the squad are getting plenty of 'game time' play against the starters. They aren't going rusty. -
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
nearly did the same to a Puma too!
(edit I know they aren't Pumas, sorry, force of habit).. -
@Victor-Meldrew he's a fullback, being played out of position, and he looks like he doesn't really know what to do. Same reason Jordie was a bit shit when he was played on the right wing.
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew he's a fullback, being played out of position, and he looks like he doesn't really know what to do. Same reason Jordie was a bit shit when he was played on the right wing.
As others have said, he was probably our most dangerous player (playing on the wing) until a few Tests back. He's going thru a bad patch and may need a rest for a game or two, but Foster is right sticking to him on the wing.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
nearly did the same to a Puma too!
(edit I know they aren't Pumas, sorry, force of habit)..@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
nearly did the same to a Puma too!
(edit I know they aren't Pumas, sorry, force of habit)..Hope Clarke doesn't get himself into trouble with the way he goes into contact ball in hand. I have noticed he is prone to leading with the knee or forearm/elbow sometimes. Nothing malicious but a ref may take exception to it one day, especially if someone gets injured.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Snifters Clarke hasn't been too flash either since his return from injury.
Broke two Saffers in two weeks with his running though
nearly did the same to a Puma too!
(edit I know they aren't Pumas, sorry, force of habit)..Hope Clarke doesn't get himself into trouble with the way he goes into contact ball in hand. I have noticed he is prone to leading with the knee or forearm/elbow sometimes. Nothing malicious but a ref may take exception to it one day, especially if someone gets injured.
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@Crazy-Horse he's bloody clumsy, as Alaimalo could probably attest to.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Crazy-Horse he's bloody clumsy, as Alaimalo could probably attest to.
Yeah I forgot about that.
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On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
You and your "facts" ruining a good indignation.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
You and your "facts" ruining a good indignation.
Good to know what neps "thought" is fact. Kudos @Nepia !
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
You and your "facts" ruining a good indignation.
Good to know what neps "thought" is fact. Kudos @Nepia !
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
You and your "facts" ruining a good indignation.
Good to know what neps "thought" is fact. Kudos @Nepia !
Fair enough.
I'll rephrase as "you and your rationality" ...
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If you haven’t seen Jase Ryan on the most recent breakdown, try to see it.
He owned up to some poor preparation on his side for the first Argentina test, rather than just blaming the players, he explained clearly how they could all get a few percent better starting with himself.
Feels like a man who you’d like to have a beer with and listen to talk about rugby.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
You and your "facts" ruining a good indignation.
Good to know what neps "thought" is fact. Kudos @Nepia !
Fair enough.
I'll rephrase as "you and your rationality" ...
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
You and your "facts" ruining a good indignation.
Good to know what neps "thought" is fact. Kudos @Nepia !
Fair enough.
I'll rephrase as "you and your rationality" ...
I guess I'm probably not as rational as Jordan. Had never thought to slow up when I was the fastest in the team in case someone behind me was gonna get there first
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If you haven’t seen Jase Ryan on the most recent breakdown, try to see it.
He owned up to some poor preparation on his side for the first Argentina test, rather than just blaming the players, he explained clearly how they could all get a few percent better starting with himself.
Feels like a man who you’d like to have a beer with and listen to talk about rugby.
@gt12 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
If you haven’t seen Jase Ryan on the most recent breakdown, try to see it.
He owned up to some poor preparation on his side for the first Argentina test, rather than just blaming the players, he explained clearly how they could all get a few percent better starting with himself.
Feels like a man who you’d like to have a beer with and listen to talk about rugby.
Yep, continues to impress!
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
You and your "facts" ruining a good indignation.
Good to know what neps "thought" is fact. Kudos @Nepia !
Fair enough.
I'll rephrase as "you and your rationality" ...
I guess I'm probably not as rational as Jordan. Had never thought to slow up when I was the fastest in the team in case someone behind me was gonna get there first
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
On the Ardie/Jordan pace debate, I actually thought Jordan slowed up as Ardie was always going to get to the ball/player first.
You and your "facts" ruining a good indignation.
Good to know what neps "thought" is fact. Kudos @Nepia !
Fair enough.
I'll rephrase as "you and your rationality" ...
I guess I'm probably not as rational as Jordan. Had never thought to slow up when I was the fastest in the team in case someone behind me was gonna get there first
Possibly he thought Ardie was a better tackler?
And.or he was hoping to scoop up any loose ball once Ardie secured the tackle... -
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Matera on that Dane Coles incident -
Speaking on the What A Lad podcast, Matera admitted he was not proud of his actions towards Coles as he failed to set a good example for children watching the game.
“Yeah that was not something I’m not proud about, to be honest,” Matera admitted. “Because I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example.
“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always.
“But that day was a bit different to be honest, that day was a bit different.
“I think he came in when there was like ten minutes left and he just continued picking on me, in every ruck, in every scrum, saying something.
“To be honest, it really hurt me, some strong things, I don’t want to repeat it but I couldn’t understand why, because they were winning by 40 points, he just came on, I didn’t understand why he was with that attitude.
“I know he’s obviously a great player but I know he’s a great guy as well because some of his teammates spoke to me after the game and came and say ‘oh he’s a good guy’ I said ‘I’m sure he’s a good guy, I’m sure’ I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me.”
Matera spent last season with Crusaders in their Super Rugby Pacific winning season, playing a big role for Scott Robertson’s men. However, the Argentine revealed that Coles told him he does not belong here, which Matera found disrespectful.“He said things that I’m sensitive about, like me being in New Zealand, ‘you don’t belong here’ and I was like if you knew how much effort for me and my family to be able to come to New Zealand you wouldn’t be saying these things.
“But that’s it, it won’t happen again even though I didn’t want to give the time to him because I can take the disrespectful… I shouldn’t have done it because the game is bigger than any player.”
https://www.planetrugby.com/news/pablo-matera-los-pumas-star-opens-up-on-dane-coles-outburst -
Matera on that Dane Coles incident -
Speaking on the What A Lad podcast, Matera admitted he was not proud of his actions towards Coles as he failed to set a good example for children watching the game.
“Yeah that was not something I’m not proud about, to be honest,” Matera admitted. “Because I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example.
“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always.
“But that day was a bit different to be honest, that day was a bit different.
“I think he came in when there was like ten minutes left and he just continued picking on me, in every ruck, in every scrum, saying something.
“To be honest, it really hurt me, some strong things, I don’t want to repeat it but I couldn’t understand why, because they were winning by 40 points, he just came on, I didn’t understand why he was with that attitude.
“I know he’s obviously a great player but I know he’s a great guy as well because some of his teammates spoke to me after the game and came and say ‘oh he’s a good guy’ I said ‘I’m sure he’s a good guy, I’m sure’ I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me.”
Matera spent last season with Crusaders in their Super Rugby Pacific winning season, playing a big role for Scott Robertson’s men. However, the Argentine revealed that Coles told him he does not belong here, which Matera found disrespectful.“He said things that I’m sensitive about, like me being in New Zealand, ‘you don’t belong here’ and I was like if you knew how much effort for me and my family to be able to come to New Zealand you wouldn’t be saying these things.
“But that’s it, it won’t happen again even though I didn’t want to give the time to him because I can take the disrespectful… I shouldn’t have done it because the game is bigger than any player.”
https://www.planetrugby.com/news/pablo-matera-los-pumas-star-opens-up-on-dane-coles-outburstUnsure what to make of this. But I wish he had kept quiet after "stay's on the field, that’s how it has to be always". And just left it at that. It was interesting at the time but now it's stirring it all up again.
But Coles should know better by now. But at least he didn't damage his body with say a concussion career ending high head shot And Matera shouldn't let nonsense talk by Coles get to him so much.
I kind of on the fence with this. Read this article but wish Matera didn't come across as such a sensitive soul. And Coles as an insensitive whatever
Speaking on the What A Lad podcast, Matera admitted he was not proud of his actions towards Coles as he failed to set a good example for children watching the game. “Yeah that was not something I’m not proud about, to be honest,” Matera admitted. “Because I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example. “I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always. “But that day was a bit different to be honest, that day was a bit different. -
“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always."
Clearly this is not true. The next word was 'But'
"he just continued picking on me"
"it really hurt me"
"He said things that I’m sensitive about"
"I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me"
It's almost like Coles singled out an emotional player and tried to get him to lose focus on the game.
I'm shocked. Nothing like this ever happens in top level sports.
Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too
"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"
zzzzz
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“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always."
Clearly this is not true. The next word was 'But'
"he just continued picking on me"
"it really hurt me"
"He said things that I’m sensitive about"
"I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me"
It's almost like Coles singled out an emotional player and tried to get him to lose focus on the game.
I'm shocked. Nothing like this ever happens in top level sports.
Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too
"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"
zzzzz
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always."
Clearly this is not true. The next word was 'But'
"he just continued picking on me"
"it really hurt me"
"He said things that I’m sensitive about"
"I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me"
It's almost like Coles singled out an emotional player and tried to get him to lose focus on the game.
I'm shocked. Nothing like this ever happens in top level sports.
Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too
"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"
zzzzz
I wonder if he sounded a bit precious because English isn't his first language? Maybe he wasn't able to express things the way he intended?
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Matera on that Dane Coles incident -
Speaking on the What A Lad podcast, Matera admitted he was not proud of his actions towards Coles as he failed to set a good example for children watching the game.
“Yeah that was not something I’m not proud about, to be honest,” Matera admitted. “Because I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example.
“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always.
“But that day was a bit different to be honest, that day was a bit different.
“I think he came in when there was like ten minutes left and he just continued picking on me, in every ruck, in every scrum, saying something.
“To be honest, it really hurt me, some strong things, I don’t want to repeat it but I couldn’t understand why, because they were winning by 40 points, he just came on, I didn’t understand why he was with that attitude.
“I know he’s obviously a great player but I know he’s a great guy as well because some of his teammates spoke to me after the game and came and say ‘oh he’s a good guy’ I said ‘I’m sure he’s a good guy, I’m sure’ I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me.”
Matera spent last season with Crusaders in their Super Rugby Pacific winning season, playing a big role for Scott Robertson’s men. However, the Argentine revealed that Coles told him he does not belong here, which Matera found disrespectful.“He said things that I’m sensitive about, like me being in New Zealand, ‘you don’t belong here’ and I was like if you knew how much effort for me and my family to be able to come to New Zealand you wouldn’t be saying these things.
“But that’s it, it won’t happen again even though I didn’t want to give the time to him because I can take the disrespectful… I shouldn’t have done it because the game is bigger than any player.”
https://www.planetrugby.com/news/pablo-matera-los-pumas-star-opens-up-on-dane-coles-outburst@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
“He said things that I’m sensitive about, like me being in New Zealand, ‘you don’t belong here’
Ah yes, the old "foreigners taking our jobs" schtick. Classic.
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“I’m one of the guys that says ‘the things that happens on the field stays on the field, that’s how it has to be always."
Clearly this is not true. The next word was 'But'
"he just continued picking on me"
"it really hurt me"
"He said things that I’m sensitive about"
"I just couldn’t understand why he kept picking on me"
It's almost like Coles singled out an emotional player and tried to get him to lose focus on the game.
I'm shocked. Nothing like this ever happens in top level sports.
Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too
"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"
zzzzz
@Duluth said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Won't someone think of the children?? Oh Pablo pulled out that bullshit too
"I know there’s a lot of young kids or young players watched the game and it’s not a good example"
zzzzz
To be fair, he was talking about HIS actions and not Coles when he said this.
