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@NTA ive said before, its baffling how few people from my club, players/fans etc, also watch super or international...the disconnect between all levels is real
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA ive said before, its baffling how few people from my club, players/fans etc, also watch super or international...the disconnect between all levels is real
If they start winning they'll come flooding back.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA ive said before, its baffling how few people from my club, players/fans etc, also watch super or international...the disconnect between all levels is real
If they start winning they'll come flooding back.
@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
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@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
I agree and can't help but feel the problem is the creation of these Super Rugby franchises. Not enough games and very little tribalism, so if your team sucks, what exists to keep you engaged and motivated?
The other problem is in Brisbane and Sydney there's other things to do. In Melbourne you can sit in a cafe until the weather improves..?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
I agree and can't help but feel the problem is the creation of these Super Rugby franchises. Not enough games and very little tribalism, so if your team sucks, what exists to keep you engaged and motivated?
The other problem is in Brisbane and Sydney there's other things to do. In Melbourne you can sit in a cafe until the weather improves..?
@antipodean 100% agree
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
I agree and can't help but feel the problem is the creation of these Super Rugby franchises. Not enough games and very little tribalism, so if your team sucks, what exists to keep you engaged and motivated?
The other problem is in Brisbane and Sydney there's other things to do. In Melbourne you can sit in a cafe until the weather improves..?
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
I agree and can't help but feel the problem is the creation of these Super Rugby franchises. Not enough games and very little tribalism, so if your team sucks, what exists to keep you engaged and motivated?
The other problem is in Brisbane and Sydney there's other things to do. In Melbourne you can sit in a cafe until the weather improves..?
The vast majority of the rugby supporters in this country are in Sydney and Brisbane
The Reds and the Tahs got knocked out in NZ in the first weekend of June. They won't play again for 8 months. That's an enormous issue when it comes to fan engagement.
I think it is Super Rugby's greatest failing, it's too short. The Rugby Boards expect fans to support different teams at different times.
In NZ it's 4 months as a Super fan. Then the ABs, and also a Province.
In Aus it is 4 months as a Super fan. And then it is the Wallabies. But only 6 times at home.
There just isn't enough content. 14 Super games. Finals. Then tests And it's jumbled
Compare to an English fan, who gets 24 club games plus finals. and cups. England play in a couple of blocks during the season. It's a far better structure for fan engagement.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
I agree and can't help but feel the problem is the creation of these Super Rugby franchises. Not enough games and very little tribalism, so if your team sucks, what exists to keep you engaged and motivated?
The other problem is in Brisbane and Sydney there's other things to do. In Melbourne you can sit in a cafe until the weather improves..?
The vast majority of the rugby supporters in this country are in Sydney and Brisbane
The Reds and the Tahs got knocked out in NZ in the first weekend of June. They won't play again for 8 months. That's an enormous issue when it comes to fan engagement.
I think it is Super Rugby's greatest failing, it's too short. The Rugby Boards expect fans to support different teams at different times.
In NZ it's 4 months as a Super fan. Then the ABs, and also a Province.
In Aus it is 4 months as a Super fan. And then it is the Wallabies. But only 6 times at home.
There just isn't enough content. 14 Super games. Finals. Then tests And it's jumbled
Compare to an English fan, who gets 24 club games plus finals. and cups. England play in a couple of blocks during the season. It's a far better structure for fan engagement.
@mariner4life thats why im convinced we need to work out how to make a "champions league" type deal work, simplify who we support back to some version of the provinces/unions, strengthen the connections better club/school and NPC/super for supporters, strengthen the "brand" of these teams so they have profile all year and so might be attractive to sponsors and for fans to get memberships
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
I agree and can't help but feel the problem is the creation of these Super Rugby franchises. Not enough games and very little tribalism, so if your team sucks, what exists to keep you engaged and motivated?
The other problem is in Brisbane and Sydney there's other things to do. In Melbourne you can sit in a cafe until the weather improves..?
The vast majority of the rugby supporters in this country are in Sydney and Brisbane
The Reds and the Tahs got knocked out in NZ in the first weekend of June. They won't play again for 8 months. That's an enormous issue when it comes to fan engagement.
I think it is Super Rugby's greatest failing, it's too short. The Rugby Boards expect fans to support different teams at different times.
In NZ it's 4 months as a Super fan. Then the ABs, and also a Province.
In Aus it is 4 months as a Super fan. And then it is the Wallabies. But only 6 times at home.
There just isn't enough content. 14 Super games. Finals. Then tests And it's jumbled
Compare to an English fan, who gets 24 club games plus finals. and cups. England play in a couple of blocks during the season. It's a far better structure for fan engagement.
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
I agree and can't help but feel the problem is the creation of these Super Rugby franchises. Not enough games and very little tribalism, so if your team sucks, what exists to keep you engaged and motivated?
The other problem is in Brisbane and Sydney there's other things to do. In Melbourne you can sit in a cafe until the weather improves..?
The vast majority of the rugby supporters in this country are in Sydney and Brisbane
The Reds and the Tahs got knocked out in NZ in the first weekend of June. They won't play again for 8 months. That's an enormous issue when it comes to fan engagement.
I think it is Super Rugby's greatest failing, it's too short. The Rugby Boards expect fans to support different teams at different times.
In NZ it's 4 months as a Super fan. Then the ABs, and also a Province.
In Aus it is 4 months as a Super fan. And then it is the Wallabies. But only 6 times at home.
There just isn't enough content. 14 Super games. Finals. Then tests And it's jumbled
Compare to an English fan, who gets 24 club games plus finals. and cups. England play in a couple of blocks during the season. It's a far better structure for fan engagement.
although probably not a popular statement I think the governance on refereeing is also a problem. Sure we have an attractive game at provincial and Super level, but it is so different to how NH refs look at test rugby, it does ourselves a complete disservice at test level. More games, consistent approach to refereeing, maybe consistency at a higher level isn't so hard for Aus and NZ even if we are not playing bok teams regularly (which I miss too).
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@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
So not great in todays quick gratification society
Thinking on this further: the number of rugby fans here who pooh-pooh AFL and League as sports are missing the point.
What can we learn from them? It is pretty fucking clear we need a national competition but there are so many political forces holding that back.
Premier Rugby in Sydney is one of the major obstacles to itself and the broader game.
Schools Rugby in NSW is a disjointed, disruptive scourge that basically destroys the continuity of participation here.How do you address that when they are powers unto themselves?
There was that article on the new boss of Sky talking about fan engagement outside the playing field. Rugby completely and utterly lacks anything like that here.
Club finals are done in Sydney for Premier Rugby. Suburban Rugby finishes on 17/09. Once that happens, Sydney is a rugby-free zone. There will be Bledisloe Tests and that's it.
That worked back in the day where everyone played cricket in the summer and we all clicked the channel changer over to Channel Nine for a bit of Richie and the crew. Now we need a global, year-round game where things take a break for a few weeks at Christmas before launching into January pre-season excitement.
I despair.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
So not great in todays quick gratification society
Thinking on this further: the number of rugby fans here who pooh-pooh AFL and League as sports are missing the point.
What can we learn from them? It is pretty fucking clear we need a national competition but there are so many political forces holding that back.
Premier Rugby in Sydney is one of the major obstacles to itself and the broader game.
Schools Rugby in NSW is a disjointed, disruptive scourge that basically destroys the continuity of participation here.How do you address that when they are powers unto themselves?
There was that article on the new boss of Sky talking about fan engagement outside the playing field. Rugby completely and utterly lacks anything like that here.
Club finals are done in Sydney for Premier Rugby. Suburban Rugby finishes on 17/09. Once that happens, Sydney is a rugby-free zone. There will be Bledisloe Tests and that's it.
That worked back in the day where everyone played cricket in the summer and we all clicked the channel changer over to Channel Nine for a bit of Richie and the crew. Now we need a global, year-round game where things take a break for a few weeks at Christmas before launching into January pre-season excitement.
I despair.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
I agree and can't help but feel the problem is the creation of these Super Rugby franchises. Not enough games and very little tribalism, so if your team sucks, what exists to keep you engaged and motivated?
The other problem is in Brisbane and Sydney there's other things to do. In Melbourne you can sit in a cafe until the weather improves..?
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@antipodean pretty sure you mercilessly derided me for suggesting we should have our own comp with, you know, more teams...
@Derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean pretty sure you mercilessly derided me for suggesting we should have our own comp with, you know, more teams...
Pretty sure none of what you mentioned was discussed in the post you just responded to.
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@Derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean pretty sure you mercilessly derided me for suggesting we should have our own comp with, you know, more teams...
Pretty sure none of what you mentioned was discussed in the post you just responded to.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean probably true, thats what we need to bottle though, the passion we see in AFL and europen football where people still rock up and pay to watch their team lose...and then complain about everyone and everything...and then turn up and pay the next week...AND but a new piece of merch
I agree and can't help but feel the problem is the creation of these Super Rugby franchises. Not enough games and very little tribalism, so if your team sucks, what exists to keep you engaged and motivated?
The other problem is in Brisbane and Sydney there's other things to do. In Melbourne you can sit in a cafe until the weather improves..?
The vast majority of the rugby supporters in this country are in Sydney and Brisbane
The Reds and the Tahs got knocked out in NZ in the first weekend of June. They won't play again for 8 months. That's an enormous issue when it comes to fan engagement.
I think it is Super Rugby's greatest failing, it's too short. The Rugby Boards expect fans to support different teams at different times.
In NZ it's 4 months as a Super fan. Then the ABs, and also a Province.
In Aus it is 4 months as a Super fan. And then it is the Wallabies. But only 6 times at home.
There just isn't enough content. 14 Super games. Finals. Then tests And it's jumbled
Compare to an English fan, who gets 24 club games plus finals. and cups. England play in a couple of blocks during the season. It's a far better structure for fan engagement.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
So not great in todays quick gratification society
Thinking on this further: the number of rugby fans here who pooh-pooh AFL and League as sports are missing the point.
What can we learn from them? It is pretty fucking clear we need a national competition but there are so many political forces holding that back.
Premier Rugby in Sydney is one of the major obstacles to itself and the broader game.
Schools Rugby in NSW is a disjointed, disruptive scourge that basically destroys the continuity of participation here.How do you address that when they are powers unto themselves?
There was that article on the new boss of Sky talking about fan engagement outside the playing field. Rugby completely and utterly lacks anything like that here.
Club finals are done in Sydney for Premier Rugby. Suburban Rugby finishes on 17/09. Once that happens, Sydney is a rugby-free zone. There will be Bledisloe Tests and that's it.
That worked back in the day where everyone played cricket in the summer and we all clicked the channel changer over to Channel Nine for a bit of Richie and the crew. Now we need a global, year-round game where things take a break for a few weeks at Christmas before launching into January pre-season excitement.
I despair.
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@antipodean 'not enough games or tribalism' - sorry I needed to explicitly connect the dots for you.
@Derpus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean 'not enough games or tribalism' - sorry I needed to explicitly connect the dots for you.
Try not connecting to the imaginary dot where I advocated for additional SR teams.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
So not great in todays quick gratification society
Thinking on this further: the number of rugby fans here who pooh-pooh AFL and League as sports are missing the point.
What can we learn from them? It is pretty fucking clear we need a national competition but there are so many political forces holding that back.
Premier Rugby in Sydney is one of the major obstacles to itself and the broader game.
Schools Rugby in NSW is a disjointed, disruptive scourge that basically destroys the continuity of participation here.How do you address that when they are powers unto themselves?
There was that article on the new boss of Sky talking about fan engagement outside the playing field. Rugby completely and utterly lacks anything like that here.
Club finals are done in Sydney for Premier Rugby. Suburban Rugby finishes on 17/09. Once that happens, Sydney is a rugby-free zone. There will be Bledisloe Tests and that's it.
That worked back in the day where everyone played cricket in the summer and we all clicked the channel changer over to Channel Nine for a bit of Richie and the crew. Now we need a global, year-round game where things take a break for a few weeks at Christmas before launching into January pre-season excitement.
I despair.
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
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@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
Sure but that money is spent, and they're offering much more content than Rugby can, with an established product
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@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
Sure but that money is spent, and they're offering much more content than Rugby can, with an established product
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
Sure but that money is spent, and they're offering much more content than Rugby can, with an established product
If I were Oz Rugby I’d ask myself what could be copied and see the next AFL renewal as its deadline to aim improvements at.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
Sure but that money is spent, and they're offering much more content than Rugby can, with an established product
If I were Oz Rugby I’d ask myself what could be copied and see the next AFL renewal as its deadline to aim improvements at.
@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@pakman ah yes - another article from The Roar stating what needs to happen with the barest skerrick of detail except "teh domestic game".
I'm not really sure how they plan to do anything about expanding franchises without getting more money first. RWC2003 funds were used for the ARC which everyone in Sydney fought tooth and nail. And it happened again with the NRC - how convenient was COVID for Sydney Premier Rugby who didn't want to even get to the starting line?
I've railed against the idea of Sydney Uni, Randwick, Eastwood, etc. getting a seat at the table of a national competition, but about 2 years ago I came around to the realisation that it won't happen until they've tried and/or failed.
So find a platform, set the criteria, and let clubs/franchises apply if they've got the skin for it.
After all, it's not like Sydney "Premier" Rugby isn't already a haves/nots system.
Agreed. But the 'fact' that AFL could raise that much does indicates the bucks are there if the right balance could be struck.
Sure but that money is spent, and they're offering much more content than Rugby can, with an established product
If I were Oz Rugby I’d ask myself what could be copied and see the next AFL renewal as its deadline to aim improvements at.
Perhaps RA could review their last SWOT analysis...
