All Blacks v Wales Test #3
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<p>and rightly so to be fair. While not a traditional 7, Haskell's performance in Brisbane is the best of all 7s in the June test matches so far (in my opinion). He wasn't too bad in Melbourne either.</p>
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<p>Having said that i'm very excited to see how Dixon goes - you get the sense his playing style suits test match rugby. Shall be fun.</p>
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<p>Pretty happy with the rest of the team, it's going to be interesting to see how these new ABs react - as we've seen in test 1 and 2 Wales have been right in the mix with the ABs up to the second half of these tests - these newer test players are going to be put under pressure I think - which is going to be great to watch.</p>
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<p>With <strong>Ngatai</strong> and SBW lurking for returns in the near future, Moala may not get too many more opportunities to stake his claim - it will be a big night for him.</p>
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<p>Referring more to his personality which is pretty polarizing obviously.......</p>
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<p>As for Ngatai let's actually see him play more than a couple of minutes test rugby before putting him in that bracket huh ?</p> -
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<p>Re Romano. Am wondering if he is there instead of Pat T as he is a better scrummager to assist Ofa?<br><br>
More changes than I'd have gone for. Shag never listens to me... but despite that he's done ok to date. So I'll trust him this once.</p>
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<p>He completely ignored my post about having a strong ball runner at 12. Grrr, the man just never listens.</p> -
<p>Quite a sign of the times that the AB's have no real opportunities to test out new players under the current test fixture structure.</p>
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<p>A form of rotation is essential in the modern environment because otherwise there's always a question mark on how well a new AB will actually perform. More so now that it's a team of 23 and the replacements have just as many core roles as the run on side</p>
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<p>A tick for 3 test series I guess</p>
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<p>Also pretty much as well handled by the coaches as they could but the Welsh must smell a better than chance here than the previous games.</p> -
Naholo to cover midfield apparently says shag ???
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<p>Quite a sign of the times that the AB's have no real opportunities to test out new players under the current test fixture structure.</p>
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<p>A form of rotation is essential in the modern environment because otherwise there's always a question mark on how well a new AB will actually perform. More so now that it's a team of 23 and the replacements have just as many core roles as the run on side</p>
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<p>A tick for 3 test series I guess</p>
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<p>Also pretty much as well handled by the coaches as they could but the Welsh must smell a better than chance here than the previous games.</p>
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<p>I guess we can look to the recent past of Hansen taking a punt per se on new players and throwing them into the test arena. That 2012 Ireland home test that was mentioned earlier being a case in point. J. Savea, A. Smith and B. Retallick all making their AB debuts as starters. </p>
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<p>I actually don't think the changes are that drastic. For the starters we've made one forced (Fekitoa), precautionary (Cruden) and a 'resting' (Kaino). Faumuina and J. Savea starting are hardly in the 'wow' category considering their relative paths thus far. </p>
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<p>Referring more to his personality which is pretty polarizing obviously.......</p>
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<p>As for Ngatai let's actually see him play more than a couple of minutes test rugby before putting him in that bracket huh ?</p>
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<p>Given the coaches said prior to the series that Crotty/Fekitoa would get first crack, I do wonder if the plan was to give Ngatai/Tamanivalu second crack.</p>
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<p>Naholo to cover midfield apparently says shag ???</p>
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Tony Brown has said it before for the Highlanders too. He said the only thing that stopped Naholo playing at centre for them is fact they wanted to keep his wheels outwide.</p> -
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<p>Given the coaches said prior to the series that Crotty/Fekitoa would get first crack, I do wonder if the plan was to give Ngatai/Tamanivalu second crack.</p>
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<p>Moala appears to be in a fortunate position with Ngatai still crook and Fekitoa now injured. Plus Tamanivalu got an extended run last week and <strong>displayed a mixed bag. </strong></p>
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<p>That was a fucken embarrassing hand off he was on the end of. It's not like Davies is Lomu and Tamanivula is Merhts or O'Gara. Really poor.</p> -
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<p>Quite a sign of the times that the AB's have no real opportunities to test out new players under the current test fixture structure.</p>
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<p>A form of rotation is essential in the modern environment because otherwise there's always a question mark on how well a new AB will actually perform. More so now that it's a team of 23 and the replacements have just as many core roles as the run on side</p>
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<p>A tick for 3 test series I guess</p>
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<p>Also pretty much as well handled by the coaches as they could but the Welsh must smell a better than chance here than the previous games.</p>
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<p>dunno, still reckon test 1 was their best shot.</p>
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<p>I actually don't think the changes are that drastic.</p>
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<p>In a way not - but, in the wider context - this is quite a different team to that which played the World Cup final (three tests ago).</p>
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<p>Thirteen of the match day 23, but I think only six guys in the starting XV playing in the position they did in November.</p> -
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In a way not - but, in the wider context - this is quite a different team to that which played the World Cup final (three tests ago).<br><br>
Thirteen of the match day 23, but I think only six guys in the starting XV playing in the position they did in November.</p></blockquote>
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The changes are very much about the RWC cycle that is a feature for all test nations I think. <br><br>
Look at Wales, they've only got 6 in their starting lineup for Saturday that also started in the QF loss to the Boks. -
<p>Mike? Poolerfan? I see the whole coaching team has now been re-signed to the 2019 RWC and beyond. Happy or not with that? I'd have thought staleness might be a problem with a tenure of that length?</p>
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<p>If we can't experiment Year 1 after a WC in the third rubber of a test series already won, when can we. I could see us losing this, which OK, wouldn't be great, but it wouldn't be the end of the world either.</p>
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<p>Be good to put some players under some proper pressure. I reckon one of the reasons they bought Savea back was to put some seniority back in the team that would have been lacking starting with Naholo.</p>
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<p>This years RC looks like it's going to be a strange affair to me with some topsy turvy results, none of the SH teams will be established or at full strength. </p> -
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<p>If we can't experiment Year 1 after a WC in the third rubber of a test series already won, when can we. I could see us losing this, which OK, wouldn't be great,<strong> but it wouldn't be the end of the world either.</strong></p>
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<p>Be good to put some players under some proper pressure. I reckon one of the reasons they bought Savea back was to put some seniority back in the team that would have been lacking starting with Naholo.</p>
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<p>This years RC looks like it's going to be a strange affair to me with some topsy turvy results, none of the SH teams will be established or at full strength. </p>
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<p>think you might be wrong there, the Mayans predicted it! </p> -
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<p>Mike? Poolerfan? I see the whole coaching team has now been re-signed to the 2019 RWC and beyond. Happy or not with that? I'd have thought staleness might be a problem with a tenure of that length?</p>
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<p>If Wales win on Saturday (having to) playing the more expansive style of rugby the Welsh rugby public - and I suspect the players - have been clamouring for for what feels like an eternity, then the decision will be totally justified.</p>
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<p>Gatland will get knighted and be first choice Lions coach.</p>
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<p>If Wales lose narrowly, then eyebrows will be raised and the forgiving amongst us will say 'ok, give them time to show that we can be successful with a new style'.</p>
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<p>If NZ finally break loose as they threatened to do in third quarter of the 2nd Test - especially with the changes Shag has made this week - then you really have to question whether this coaching group is up to the task.</p>
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<p>Personally I would have kept things the way they are, with McBryde and Howley on notice.</p>
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<p>Our defence hasn't been as tight as in previous seasons but I think that's as much a function of us not being coherent going forwards and better teams targeting mismatches and space when counter-attacking opportunities have presented themselves.</p>
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<p>Barrett played hell with the Roberts-Davies axis in the 2nd Test because Roberts should have been substituted. I don't expect a repeat of that (slow defending) this Saturday.</p> -
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<p>The changes are very much about the RWC cycle that is a feature for all test nations I think.<br><br>
Look at Wales, they've only got 6 in their starting lineup for Saturday that also started in the QF loss to the Boks.</p>
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<p>That was a fucken embarrassing hand off he was on the end of. It's not like Davies is Lomu and Tamanivula is Merhts or O'Gara. Really poor.</p>
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<p>Davies is stronger than he looks. He's sat down quite a few big boys with his handoff.</p>
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<p>That was a fucken embarrassing hand off he was on the end of. It's not like Davies is Lomu and Tamanivula is Merhts or O'Gara. Really poor.</p>
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<p>I dropped this into the other thread, but here's Nonu getting bitch slapped into next week by international legend Tony Tuitavake, Davies is a wee bit better than Tony -</p>
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<p>I dropped this into the other thread, but here's Nonu getting bitch slapped into next week by international legend Tony Tuitavake, Davies is a wee bit better than Tony -</p>
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<p>You can't count that, Nonu never plays properly unless he has a black jersey on.</p> -
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<p>Interested in how the midfield goes. I don't think there's a set rule that 12 has to be the broadsword and 13 the rapier ( I think we missed that in the Rugby clichÃ
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<p>Is Dixon really cover for 7 ? he looks like a 6/8 and nothing else any day of the week to me.</p>
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<p>Giteau, Horan etc had a bit of 2nd playmaker about them.</p>
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<p>Crotty doesn't. Witness his attempt at a crosskick last week.</p>
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<p>He's an out-and-out centre for me, and I prefer him at outside rather than inside centre.</p>
